"A woman who is trans"

You’ve come to the conclusion you can always tell though selection bias. You assumed all trans women don’t pass because you only see the non-passing trans women.

Not at all.

I know younger trans identifying males who think they pass.

they don’t.

even when shown pictures (in the past on here) of individuals who the person thought passed, there was something “off” to me and that is even clearer in RL.

My life depends on identifying men accurately and efficiently.

I believe there was a thread about a Spanish midwife working in trans-affirmative care that posters assumed was trans based on her appearance. It turned out she wasn’t trans and the backtracking started.

You say women can always identify sex, so in over 4 years I would’ve expected someone to slip up when referring to me at some point. I think you’ve severely overestimated the number of people making a conscious effort to correct gender trans people. It’s not exactly the same, but I’ve worked with a person that uses they/them pronouns so I know how hard it is to force yourself to say something opposite to what you see.

I believe you think you can identify every trans woman. Have you considered that you believe this because you only see the non-passing trans women? I’ve seen plenty of threads play out here where everyone agrees someone is trans and then later discovers the person is female.

What threads?

And you still haven't given any examples of passing transwomen in the public eye

I believe you think you can identify every trans woman. Have you considered that you believe this because you only see the non-passing trans women? I’ve seen plenty of threads play out here where everyone agrees someone is trans and then later discovers the person is female.

I worked on a project with a TW who did not remotely pass. I took great care to use his given female name when I talked to him and about him

di not mistake our politeness and frankly fear of losing our jobs with "passing"

I mean honestly what do you expect? Women to come up to you and say "you're a man man manly man"? We're already scared because you're in our spaces and hyper vigilant because of it

and anyone socialised as a woman would know this

I believe you think you can identify every trans woman. Have you considered that you believe this because you only see the non-passing trans women? I’ve seen plenty of threads play out here where everyone agrees someone is trans and then later discovers the person is female.

You say women can always identify sex, so in over 4 years I would’ve expected someone to slip up when referring to me at some point. I think you’ve severely overestimated the number of people making a conscious effort to correct gender trans people. It’s not exactly the same, but I’ve worked with a person that uses they/them pronouns so I know how hard it is to force yourself to say something opposite to what you see.

So you don’t believe me?

I think it was an offer to flash his cervix on national TV?
Or has he made additional claims?

You say women can always identify sex, so in over 4 years I would’ve expected someone to slip up when referring to me at some point. I think you’ve severely overestimated the number of people making a conscious effort to correct gender trans people. It’s not exactly the same, but I’ve worked with a person that uses they/them pronouns so I know how hard it is to force yourself to say something opposite to what you see.

So, because people are observing that you are a male person likely with a transgender identity and either just use the expected pronoun for a male with a transgender identity of the opposite sex, or avoid using sex based language, you think you pass well?

Why would you expect people you meet in everyday situations to not 'be nice' if you are not in a female single sex space?

Please do not use that as validation that people don't correctly identify your sex category and that female people are not recognising a male person when they see you. That would be a very significant misjudgement on your behalf.

Exactly, @AllThisFuss

Especially when a supposedly educated person like David Lammy thinks that a man taking artificial, cross-sex hormones, can "grow a cervix." When people in high office & with some authority say such stupid things, is it any wonder people get confused?

India Willoughby thinks that he's got a womb, I gather ...

I suspect you would be very hard pressed to find a female person who has not experienced misogynist harassment in the last 4 years.

I was also talking about everyday situations. Do you think every person got my pronouns right without prompting or telling them out of kindness? I have no doubt that if people were actively reading me as trans my life would be a lot harder. Or have I just come across all the nice people?

Every trans person has a different experience. A lot have experienced transphobic harassment or had very unpleasant experiences in public. I’ve been fortunate enough not to experience any issues in over 4 years. And I don’t think it’s because every person I meet is just being kind.

@ThatOpalTurtle and @TroubledWatersTW

Just to say that I'm more than ready to support campaigns for mixed sex alternatives as long as they are additions to single sex provisions not instead of.

While acknowledging the fundamental point that your needs are not women's problem to solve just because we wouldn't let our resources be your solution, as a gender critical Feminist I see value in solving them anyway because of what they mean socially.

I'm acutely aware of the paradox that we need single sex protections because of male behaviour amd fetishisation of our privacy, but the very existence of those provisions leads some men to fetishise our spaces and our privacy, perpetuating the loop.

With my idealistic head on, I would hope having more gender (not sex) fluid presentation and identities, and more mixed sex alternatives for those happy to use them, would do something to reduce the fetishisation of women's frankly very boring day to day lives.