Dylan Mulvaney cast as Anne Boleyn

Fetishistic transvestism is a diagnosis listed in the ICD. When HCPs make a diagnosis of 'gender incongruence', they are required to screen to exclude fetishistic tranvestism.

Some men dress in clothes labelled 'women's clothes' because they find it sexually arousing.

The reason they find it arousing is because of the power dynamic. The power dynamic is that women are oppressed by males, who are, statistically, more powerful physically, economically, and socially.

As per my post above, just as you can only appreciate the offensiveness of minstelry when you see it in the context of the cultural caricatures of blackness that were both produced by and served to reinforce social and state sanctioned oppression and marginalisation of black people, you can only appreciate the offensiveness of trans genderism when you see it in the context of the cultural caricatures of women and men that are both produced by and serve to reinforce social and state sanctioned oppression and marginalisation of female people.

You are, either through ignorance or malice, combining two different things.

It is disingenuous to pretend the issue with trans people is how they dress. Where there is an issue about dress the issue is the reason they dress this way and the access they claim because of that.

How someone chooses to dress is, as you say, no one else's business as long as it's not indecent for the context like extreme fetishwear in Tescos or something offensive like a T shirt with a sexist slogan.

Conversely, a person of one sex claiming to be the other sex, or the right to be treated as interchangeable with the opposite sex, because of how they think is unacceptable sexism regardless of how they dress.

It's the difference between a man buying a fabulous women's dress because there's nothing like that for men in the market today and having the dress altered to fit his male body, and a man buying a fabulous woman's dress because he thinks he is a fabulous woman, and altering or agumemting his male body to fit the dress.

I think it's interesting that you rightly see the connection between social racism today and the abhorrent legally sanctioned abuses of black people in the past, but are blind to the connection between the abhorrent legally sanctioned abuses of female people in the past (and indeed in many places still today) and the social sexism that women (in the sex based meaning) still face and which among other things underpins the concept of gender identities.

You say "All trans people are doing is getting on with their lives whilst being trans" but what does actually mean? In what way, and why, is someone of one sex reasonably interchangeable with people of the opposite sex because of something in their mind, and how in the case of a trans woman does that quality relate to the existence of female people, our undeniable history of oppression because of our physical sex, and the existence of women-only resources, provisions and protections to mitigate that history such that there can be no reasonable case to differentiate between us?

To get back to the history of race oppression, would you consider it reasonable for a white person to claim something in the way they think makes them really a black person, and through that claim the history of black oppression as their own even though they not only would not have suffered any of it at the time, but as a white person would have benefitted from it and continues to benefit from its legacy today?

I would argue that your stance trivialises the centuries long systematic oppression of women- the play you’re defending documents one of the most famous cases of this.

Your stance trivialises the actual struggles faced by some trans people- exploitation by corrupt medical organisations in this part of the world, harassment, sexual exploitation and murder in others. Do you think us big nasty terfs cause that?
And as a medical professional, I absolutely do think it’s child abuse to subject a child to serious, life altering medical interventions for cosmetic reasons.

Is you child who’s so keen on DM trans? Your username suggests so. I can’t imagine the audacity of a grown women being so glib about such a serious subject “because my teenager says so”.

Again, I was reacting to the comparison between minstrelsy and trans women.

And saying that trans people existing, going about their normal lives and, yes, applying for acting jobs, is not the same thing. At all.

No one had suggested for a moment they are angry that DM 'exists'. This is simply a discussion about whether it was appropriate to cast him (a male person) in a show where having an all female cast does a lot of the heavy lifting. I don't understand why it's not possible to have that discussion without a lot of hyperbole about not wanting trans people to exist.

I wasn't the one drawing analogies with racism. My reply was that comparing being trans to appalling racist propaganda was in itself racist. Seeing a trans woman in lippy you don't like is not oppression.

I am a cis woman, nearly 50, who's been gnc all her life. My trans son wears make-up and skirts - not to undermine anything but because he likes them. Because clothes and appearance are not gender.

Framing trans people as an attack on cis is seriously ignorant. All trans people are doing is getting on with their lives whilst being trans.

You know how men assume cis women dress to please or provoke them? It's exactly as untrue as that.

Trans people are attacked for wearing gendered clothing, attacked when they don't. For dressing up, or down. Sound familiar?

Trans people have lives, families, films they want to watch, kids, jobs. Their whole lives are not "being trans" as if they're on stage.

Being angry at a minority for existing is indulging in hate speech, a total waste of time, and will poison your life.

I am generally, and in principle, in favour of actors acting - within or beyond their own identity or characteristics.

But...as said above, this is a show about women being strong and rebellious and telling their story on the face of the (murderous) misogyny of an individual man, and the whole system of the time. And in the context of fertility and the production of a male heir.

And given that there are still fewer roles for women on theatre and film, and in live bands, it was so refreshing to see a female led, female only cast and band. Telling a female story.

So BOOOOOOOO! to this casting. Got nothing against this performer per se or personally, let them take their chances within the industry and before the critics and public as they will - like every other performer.

Fantastic post @FlirtsWithRhinos 💚💜

It's not rocket science.

You try to draw analogies with racism but you ignore the fundamental difference - black people don't want everyone to pretend they are white as if white were something meaningfully different or better, they just want society to stop unfairly limiting what black people can be.

Men wearing dresses, challenging sexist constructs of man and women, proudly appropriating feminity while saying "all this and I'm a still a man, worth as much as any other man, and must be accepted as one" would be progressive and open.

Men wearing dresses, challenging sexist constructs of man and women, proudly appropriating feminity and saying "all this means I'm actually a woman and must be treated like one" is regressive and sexist.

You don't understand because you have let people brainwash you that somehow something in trans women's minds makes them "women". You have accepted the sexist idea that being a woman is about how you think not just being part of the half of humanity that is female in all our glorious diversity.

So you start from the unjustified assumption that trans women somehow are women, but have never actually asked yourself how that can be, what does it really mean, and what it means for the half of humanity that is female to be redefined as a personality trait.

Because let's be clear, calling trans women women isn't opening up womanhood, it is reducing it. It is taking female-specific voices, experiences and perspectives out of womanhood and boxing us into being only things that can also be true of male people. And that might be good for male people, but it's very bad for us.

So you miss the battle you should be fighting and instead find yourself fighting for gender stereotypes, sexism and the suppression of female voices, history and rights.

I realise if you have a "trans" child you have to erect psychological barriers to thinking about this properly.... but try anyway. Recognise those thoughts that your mind is telling you to stay away from, be brave and face them head on, and most of all let yourself be honest!

Btw you can proclaim your woman credentials as much as you like. Firstly, that doesn’t actually mean the same to you and your mates as it does to the majority of people, and secondly, I don’t believe everything I read on the internet, and I’ll draw my own conclusions.

don’t be so ridiculous

They are women, and suffer exactly the same misogyny and violence as cis women

What an absolute load of bollocks. Men (regardless of how they present) will never, ever suffer the same misogyny and violence as women. Shoehorning a cis into your claim won't change that.

Yes, I wouldn’t say that I “dropped him like a hot brick” because I already thought he was a misogynist dick. 10 points for guessing why!

Exactly.

I went to school with girls who called vaginas far worse than that.

Who the hell cares? I'm a mum, cis female, a carer, and have actual problems.

And 'handmaiden' lol.. Prominent terfs support Trump. The majority of people who are anti-trans dropped Neil Gaiman like a hot brick, because most have experienced abuse and would never support anyone accused.of sex crimes. However they identify.

The blurb introducing him says he is “best known” for the TikTok bollocks so it seems that’s why he’s there.

I know how I feel about people trivialising an organised, well-funded, centuries-long attempt at dehumanising Black people. It was a state-sponsored, slavery-enabling, Jim Crow-justifying propaganda effort.

Comparing that to trans women existing is disrespectful, deeply racist and dismissive of all that suffering. And the rape, assault, systematic injustice, apartheid and murder it enabled.

Trans women dress as they want. Some wear make-up and dresses, but many do not. Lots are gender non -conforming. They are women, and suffer exactly the same misogyny and violence as cis women.

I do not get the terf movement, seriously. Trivialising the violence of .racism (and child abuse, by misusing 'groomer ') appears everyday.

Do you mean Dylan? If so, what else has he acted in (beyond a lager commercial that resulted in a huge fall in sales) )where he's been highly rated by a range of critics?

Yes but what has Dylan acted in?

Yes i was wondering this

Genuinely, this is the opinion of one of my children, a drama student who rates her. I'm way too old :)

SIX is a wild Broadway show in the style of a singing contest, and she sings, so it should suit her well.

Dylan is a woman, playing a woman, who's experienced misogyny and being defined by her anatomy.

Dylan is not a woman (which is an adult human female) Dylan is acting the part of a woman, both in his life and in this show. He's playing a character.

Dylan is not Anne Boleyn and Dylan is not a woman.

'theater matters for that shared experience, but we're in a really interesting position right now where we're kind of at a crossroads where we can either commit to making it matter, actually, or maybe leaving it as a kind of like elite thing that like posh people with loads of money can do'

Lucy Moss.

Ah. They're a pair of posh kids without a clue.

The entirety of genderpish, really. Finally, a way to cosplay at being victimised and 'marginalised' for people with too much money and nothing in particular to say. But I guess they can write a catchy tune?