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Looking at men differently now I know too much?

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clingfilmed · 16/01/2026 17:10

In recent years I've seen so much in the news and online about men's abuse and violence towards women. A man who looks totally normal and pleasant and is perhaps in many ways a good man might still be going home and creating fake AI nudes of women he knows or watching extreme porn or abusing his wife or kids or using prostitutes or cam girls or has a fetish that degrades and dehumanises women or is a complete misogynist.

There is a post on the relationships board now where a married man is hoping that just because a mum of his sons friend has been friendly towards him she might fancy him and be up for it.

Then looking at many of the men I know day to day how they talk to and interact with their wives and families is depressing to see, almost like they don't care at all.

I know its not every man, I know some men who I do think are good. I do look back to the rose tinted days of my teens when I would idealise boys and think they were so amazing and now knowing what I do about general trends and some men in particular its quite a disappointment.

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Catiette · 02/02/2026 11:15

GaIadriel · 02/02/2026 11:08

No, it's not the same. Having more testosterone is innate. It can't be helped. Whilst doing all the childcare is sometimes a result of facilitating/enabling a lazy bastard who thinks he doesn't have to do anything to help because he was at work today.

A neater encapsulation of my points above you could not find. I wondered if I was stretching things a bit, but then, an hour or so later, read the same in real time above. The paradoxical layering of double standards where sex and gender is concerned is really something to behold.

GaIadriel · 02/02/2026 11:08

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 02/02/2026 09:56

"More violent because testosterone" isn't the same as "does over ten times more childcare in the first year" and you know it.

No, it's not the same. Having more testosterone is innate. It can't be helped. Whilst doing all the childcare is sometimes a result of facilitating/enabling a lazy bastard who thinks he doesn't have to do anything to help because he was at work today.

Catiette · 02/02/2026 10:36

Gahr · 02/02/2026 10:34

Not really, I'm just talking in the same vein as the people on here!

Citations needed, or you risk creating the impression that you're misrepresenting/misunderstanding us by yourself hyperbolising where we're rationalising...

GenderlessVoid · 02/02/2026 10:35

Gahr · 02/02/2026 10:30

I'm not. I'm saying that I don't see men as my enemy.

So "Why 'fight for' anything at all?" was your way of showing support for those of us fighting for equality, dignity (or, e.g., safety)? Seems like a way to say we were doing it wrong and should just get on with our lives. At the very least, it's asking us to justify our choices, presumably bc you think your way is better.

Gahr · 02/02/2026 10:34

Catiette · 02/02/2026 10:33

That's pretty melodramatic language to use! 😉

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Not really, I'm just talking in the same vein as the people on here!

Tonissister · 02/02/2026 10:33

username734 · 16/01/2026 23:32

"They have three hearts: a false one in their mouths for all the world to see, another within their breasts only for their friends, and the third in the depths of their hearts, reserved for themselves alone and never manifested to anybody" Father João Rodrigues

Which would just about be okay if that third one stayed there. But he's wrong about that third heart. The internet has made it easy to access the desires of that third heart and they are out in the open, everywhere.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 02/02/2026 10:33

Gahr · 02/02/2026 10:20

Don't get me started on Israel vs 'Palestine'. That is something I have strong views about, but this isn't the CITME board, so I won't state them here.

Yet here you are. I might wander over to the CITME and bleat on about how much ‘Free Palestine’ doesn’t affect me personally so what’s the problem.

Catiette · 02/02/2026 10:33

Gahr · 02/02/2026 10:30

I'm not. I'm saying that I don't see men as my enemy.

That's pretty melodramatic language to use! 😉

Gahr · 02/02/2026 10:32

EvelynBeatrice · 02/02/2026 10:31

“Freedom is the sure possession only of those who have the courage to defend it “ Pericles

Oh, trust me. If someone comes for my freedom, I'm not taking it lying down. I don't want to derail by talking about other issues, but there was an issue recently where government was coming for our freedoms. Best believe I fought back.

EvelynBeatrice · 02/02/2026 10:31

Gahr · 02/02/2026 10:14

Not really, no. More a counsel of staying in my lane and not thinking I have something in common with all women just because I am a woman. I just don't see the world in such melodramatic terms.

“Freedom is the sure possession only of those who have the courage to defend it “ Pericles

Gahr · 02/02/2026 10:30

GenderlessVoid · 02/02/2026 10:28

So why are you in this thread criticizing women who are fighting for dignity and equality?

I'm not. I'm saying that I don't see men as my enemy.

GenderlessVoid · 02/02/2026 10:28

Gahr · 02/02/2026 10:26

You're right, I don't. I have reached a certain point in life by a combination of luck and hard work, like so many people have. I do a certain amount of 'giving back' and support certain causes, so I'm not entirely self involved. However, I don't identify with contemporary feminism and prefer to devote my energies elsewhere. Hope that's clearer.

So why are you in this thread criticizing women who are fighting for dignity and equality?

Gahr · 02/02/2026 10:26

GenderlessVoid · 02/02/2026 10:22

So I should stop using it bc you don't like it?

I'm not using it to shut down debate. I'm pointing out that your position seems to have come about bc you've been lucky enough to not have to worry about dignity or equality in your own life and don't seem to care at all about those who are not so lucky. Feel free to respond to that if you're so bothered by the term.

You're right, I don't. I have reached a certain point in life by a combination of luck and hard work, like so many people have. I do a certain amount of 'giving back' and support certain causes, so I'm not entirely self involved. However, I don't identify with contemporary feminism and prefer to devote my energies elsewhere. Hope that's clearer.

GenderlessVoid · 02/02/2026 10:22

Gahr · 02/02/2026 10:19

I am so sick of the term 'privileged'. It's just a way of shutting down all debate, and ironically is used a great deal by TRAs!

So I should stop using it bc you don't like it?

I'm not using it to shut down debate. I'm pointing out that your position seems to have come about bc you've been lucky enough to not have to worry about dignity or equality in your own life and don't seem to care at all about those who are not so lucky. Feel free to respond to that if you're so bothered by the term.

Catiette · 02/02/2026 10:21

Gahr · 02/02/2026 10:20

Don't get me started on Israel vs 'Palestine'. That is something I have strong views about, but this isn't the CITME board, so I won't state them here.

No, don't - I think we'd all agree here isn't the place. I was careful to refer to both equally in my analogy to deter any possible derailment! But the point stands...

Gahr · 02/02/2026 10:20

Catiette · 02/02/2026 10:18

I just don't see the world in such melodramatic terms.

...thereby favouring more illogical terms instead?, like:

not thinking I have something in common with all women just because I am a woman.

Are Israelis and Palestinians similarly melodramatic for recognising a kinship with, and defending, their respective "kinds"? Or is it just women (who are dying in even greater numbers for something far more fundamental than the construct of ethnic/religious/national identity)?

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Don't get me started on Israel vs 'Palestine'. That is something I have strong views about, but this isn't the CITME board, so I won't state them here.

Gahr · 02/02/2026 10:19

GenderlessVoid · 02/02/2026 10:16

That's a very privileged and entitled position.

I am so sick of the term 'privileged'. It's just a way of shutting down all debate, and ironically is used a great deal by TRAs!

MarieDeGournay · 02/02/2026 10:18

Gahr · 02/02/2026 10:14

Not really, no. More a counsel of staying in my lane and not thinking I have something in common with all women just because I am a woman. I just don't see the world in such melodramatic terms.

'Melodramatic'?
History/sociology/physiology/genetics and all the other things that reveal some commonalities between all women can be called a lot of things, but 'melodramatic'?

Catiette · 02/02/2026 10:18

Gahr · 02/02/2026 10:14

Not really, no. More a counsel of staying in my lane and not thinking I have something in common with all women just because I am a woman. I just don't see the world in such melodramatic terms.

I just don't see the world in such melodramatic terms.

...thereby favouring more illogical terms instead?, like:

not thinking I have something in common with all women just because I am a woman.

Are Israelis and Palestinians similarly melodramatic for recognising a kinship with, and defending, their respective "kinds"? Or is it just women (who are dying in even greater numbers for something far more fundamental than the construct of ethnic/religious/national identity)?

GenderlessVoid · 02/02/2026 10:16

Gahr · 02/02/2026 10:15

I have equality and dignity in my own life, which is all I can ask.

That's a very privileged and entitled position.

Gahr · 02/02/2026 10:15

GenderlessVoid · 02/02/2026 10:14

To me, equality and dignity are worth fighting for. Sorry if there is nothing in your life that you think is worth fighting for.

I have equality and dignity in my own life, which is all I can ask.

Gahr · 02/02/2026 10:14

Catiette · 02/02/2026 10:12

Why 'fight for' anything at all?

Well, there's a counsel of despair...

Not really, no. More a counsel of staying in my lane and not thinking I have something in common with all women just because I am a woman. I just don't see the world in such melodramatic terms.

GenderlessVoid · 02/02/2026 10:14

Gahr · 02/02/2026 10:11

Why 'fight for' anything at all? I don't. I'm friends with people I like, and I cut off people I don't. Regardless of sex.

To me, equality and dignity are worth fighting for. Sorry if there is nothing in your life that you think is worth fighting for.

Catiette · 02/02/2026 10:12

Why 'fight for' anything at all?

Well, there's a counsel of despair...

Gahr · 02/02/2026 10:11

GenderlessVoid · 02/02/2026 00:37

I can think 90% of men are rubbish without idealizing women. My own mum sided with my rapist over me. Think about that. It doesn't leave me with a high opinion of women. Almost everyone I know who was sexually abused as a child had the same thing - when their mum found out, it was too difficult or painful to leave their husband or turn their son into the police. I'd still rather take my chances in a locked darkened room full of 50 women I don't know than 50 men I don't know.

“Feminism is a political practice of fighting male supremacy in behalf of women as a class, including all the women you don't like, including all the women you don't want to be around, including all the women who used to be your best friends whom you don't want anything to do with anymore. It doesn't matter who the individual women are. They all have the same vulnerability to rape, to battery, as children to incest. Poorer women have more vulnerability to prostitution, which is basically a form of sexual exploitation that is intolerable in an egalitarian society, which is the society we are fighting for.”
Andrea Dworkin

Feminists are not saying all women are wonderful.

Why 'fight for' anything at all? I don't. I'm friends with people I like, and I cut off people I don't. Regardless of sex.