Looking at men differently now I know too much?

You can never know 'too much', facts are facts and knowledge is knowledge; but sometimes I wish facts like this didn't exist to be known:
INVESTIGATION. "Younger and more dangerous": the DGSI's alert on the masculinist threat – franceinfo
A "strong terrorist potential", more numerous, younger and more dangerous radicalised profiles. The radical fringe of the masculinist movement is of concern to the General Directorate of Internal Security.
[I hope it posts in the English translation, which was offered when I opened the page.]

It also pisses me off that ordinary good blokes seem to think they are saints. DH thinks he is absolutely marvellous for just being an averagely good person, like most women are. He is SO PROUD of being nicer than most men he knows. But the bar is so low. Compare him with most women and he's staggeringly average.

This article is depressing interesting

Woman left traumatised by swinging says website 'facilitated abuse' - BBC News https://share.google/vyWKkCq3jnqxMgYrL

'Martin' sounds like an absolute hero . Reminds me of an account I read of a woman who'd been trafficked. One of her customers seemed nice, saw her tears and promised to help her but still fucked her.

Radfems and Female Dating Strategy advocates alike characterise many men's view of women as "bangmaids" and "wife appliances" for this exact reason. They don't see us as fellow humans, but as an unfeeling appliance for housework and sex acts.

This, don't read it if you don't want to potentially be depressed and angry

https://archive.ph/UExCb

https://unherd.com/2026/06/brussels-europes-pimp-city/?edition=us

For 50 Swiss francs ($50), customers were invited to choose a woman from an iPad menu, then order her to give him a blowjob along with his cappuccino.

It's not that men hate women, though some will, that they feel contempt for women, though some do, it's more like we're an appliance, like a toaster or perhaps a vending machine. Insert money and orgasms are delivered. However these men view us it's not as something worthy of respect.

In my experience, it's very dependent on what kind of atmosphere is being fostered.

For example: I'm very lucky, because my place of work is more egalitarian than most, with women occupying almost all possible posts for the same pay as men. I don't think it's a coincidence that most men there don't tend to exhibit the behaviour you describe - though even then, I've had more than a few appalling moments.

Now put those same men in a more competitive environment, and all bets are off. More competition means more misogyny in general, which is directed at the female colleagues obviously, but also at all the women in the men's lives. It's like some kind of weird competition the men have between themselves to show who's the least dependent on the women in their lives, and especially who's the most harrassed by said women.

I mean, I guess women do something similar when they get into, "Ugh! Let me tell you about my husband's latest stupid move!", but... It doesn't feel the same. As a rule, women complain about the person who is their husband and who happens to be male. Sure sometimes there'll be rants about men being like this or that, but it's not systematic. When men do it, it feels like it goes the other way around: like their wives are women first and people second, and the men slag them off first and foremost on the basis of their being women. It's unsettling. It's like you want to remind them that, "She's not just any woman; she's the person you love!" Which is something I rarely felt around women ranting about their men.

@seethlaw, I have a young cousin who is a transman. What amazed him was the way men speak about women when they think no woman is present. They slag off their wives and girlfriends - very often in a way that would be curtains for the relationships if the women could be flies on the wall.

#notallmen but way too freaking many of them, like most of them.

Having now read the thread, I'll just say I wish with all of my being that I would have been prepared for men in my late teens.

Plenty? So more than enough to go round, then? Doesn't tie in with much of what we read on Mumsnet, does it?

The old quote-mining dishonesty again, I see.

As a deemed man on FWR, he doesn't speak for me. I've never experienced anything resembling this.

Before someone chimes in with the 'but you're a gay man!', gay men aggressively direct these um, feelings, toward other men. I never felt anything remotely like this.

He speaks for me. So that's 100% of the sample of 2 on this thread.

Me too. This really shocked me. The sheer ordinariness of the men involved terrified me. I actually found myself walking past men in the street with whom i (accidentally) made some sort of eye contact wondering what they were really thinking, either about me or about some other woman. Not a pleasant thought.

I've sort of got over it now, but really only in the way you get used to things, which is not great.

Feminism isn't comparable to the BNP. HTH.

I note that you make no acknowledgement of my statistically-based posts.

Dropped back in to see how things were going, and was amused to see the above.

Sometimes it's better just to outline your view so that people passively reading the thread know that not everybody agrees with the narrative.

This seems to be a popular approach on the TRA and MRA side. While it can be frustrating for those of us who really want to get to the bottom of things and love the challenge of meaningful debate, I fundamentally agree that it can, indeed, be helpful. I've not yet read a poster who subscribes to this approach who I think is doing their "side" of the argument any favours. Operation #LetThemSpeak exists for a reason. Thank you, to all such willing participants, for your service.

Sometimes it's better to just state one's view. I wouldn't bother arguing with a BNP supporter, for example, because it'd be pointless. I know there'd be nothing they could say which would enlighten me or provide food for thought. It's the same with people that write lengthy justifications of sexism or the unconditional dislike of a whole demographic.

Also, you keep me-railing the discussion with your personal stories which don't really prove anything and aren't verifiable. Sometimes it's better just to outline your view so that people passively reading the thread know that not everybody agrees with the narrative.

And lo, you do it again.

You attack straw-men, not people's actual arguments. Posters mentioning this isn't them disagreeing with you, it's them asking you to engage with the arguments actually presented.

Wow, so the other posters that disagree with me also disagree with me? 🤯

Never in my life have I been the one asking to bareback. The men I've slept with often have asked.

Talking to female friends indicates that my experience is commonplace.

To be fair a woman can substantially reduce her risk just as much if he wears a condom

Men are the problem. They will fuck anything and make it their priority. https://www.mumbailive.com/amp/en/crime/mumbai-sees-rise-in-sexual-assault-cases-against-stray-dogs-91634

I am not alone in noting that you often reply to something in a way that indicates that you didn't read what was actually written. You've done it sufficiently often that it feels intentional.

Men will choose to take that risk for a guaranteed orgasm. They can wear condoms to substantially reduce that risk, and the smarter ones do.

It's the woman who is pregnant for nine months, not him. It's also the woman who faces abortion and any psychological consequences. And she probably won't even orgasm. What's in it for her?

Having to potentially become a father against your will and financially support a child for 18 years is surely not an inconsiderable risk, and a lot more likely than being murdered.