Eva Vlaadingerbroek has been banned from travelling to the UK

I lived in the Netherlands and I speak Dutch and I'm possibly more immersed in Dutch political trends... Apologies for the length:

You have people like Gerth Van Wilders who gained his political awakening on a trip to Israel (he talks about this himself.) So I think it's fair to describe him as anti-Islam/anti immigrant but not to smear him as anti-Semitic because he clearly isn't.
Then you have younger people like Eva who came up via the sort of gen Z/alt right/generation identity anti immigrant feeling that went through Europe. And has sort of made a name for herself through online campaigning/Twitter/controversies. At one end of the gen Z anti immigrant spectrum you have people who explicitly believe in the great replacement theory and refer to it a lot. She is on that end. It goes further than just not liking immigration - the whole idea is that "people" are explicitly trying to destroy the white race and replace them with immigrants. She has said they want to destroy people like her (blonde blue eyed real Dutch). The "people" are sometimes George Soros, sometimes Davos, sometimes the "elites" but pretty much always it's Jews really She is currently aligned with Van Wilders, although I think she is further to the right of him. So she is pushing the antiMuslim line the hardest right now but people like that really do not like Jews either.

An easy comparison though not exact would be the alliance between people like Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson/Candace Owens. An alliance that broke down once they no longer needed Ben Shapiro onboard.

As I said, I am happy to have people enter the country who criticise Israel or criticise Muslim countries,.or criticise our own country. But I think at the very least when non citizens express anti Semitic OR anti-muslim rhetoric or anti-Christian rhetoric we have the right to look more closely at their right to entry and ask them to make a visa. That's all that has happened to her. She has not even been banned.

A few screenshots which hopefully help make things clear iro: the Great Replacement Theory.

Do you follow her? What you’re saying doesn’t tally with a Google overview on her views on each religion but perhaps you’ve followed her more closely.

I was about to reply but this kind of post is off putting.

I pointed that out to Eastern on another thread so she is already aware, but seems to brush it off. It is worrying.

And if it's about anti-Semitism rather than only anti-Israeli speech... Eva has also been a bit anti Semitic in some of her messaging. The heart of the "Great Replacement" theory is that it's the Jews who are plotting this great replacement l. She is more the Nick Fuentes end of the spectrum than Ben Shapiro.
Just so you know who you are defending!

Well yes
She hasn't even been denied entry. They said there would be extra steps to decide if she could come so she did a sad face post about how she was banned from Britain on Twitter and now people are talking about her like she is a martyr. So she got what she wanted regardless of the governments later decisions.

I also think it's interesting that she is being compared to the Egyptian British man el Fattah. He is a UK citizen so it's different (and was wrongly in prison for years for his role in the Arab Spring. I don't think Eva deserves to be in prison either by the way. Or have her Dutch citizenship removed). But you seem more outraged at him for saying awful things Israel than they are at her for saying awful things about the UK. I think you should be allowed to criticise everywhere. Regardless of how we feel about the, very complicated, conflict in the Middle East, Israel isn't Britain. I don't see how taking sides one way or the other makes you automatically anti British. Anymore than me slagging of the Dutch makes me anti-British.

I do think Israel has every right not to grant El Fattah a visa to visit their country should he wish to visit it by the way. That is more of an equivalent scenario.

Sure, so with that in mind do people think it would be better to let an undesirable in (doesn't have to be Eva, pick anyone you like) in case they manage to use the refusal to their advantage?

The Tories cocked up massively by awarding El-Fattah citizenship. Labour cocked up massively by welcoming him with delight.

Now it looks as though lessons have been learned and the government is making it difficult for this particular anti-semite to be allowed in to the UK. Isn't that a good thing?

I’m not sure you can stop anyone communicating with people whether they’re here in the UK at an event or on a screen.

You don’t want her message out there, she’s getting the opposite of that.

I'm interested that multiple people are thinking of this in terms of the level of publicity in which the individuals concerned manage to wring out of an immigration decision, rather than whether it's a good thing for them to physically be in the UK or not. Would you apply the same principle to, say, jihad apologists or neo-Nazi non citizens who we've not let visit? Ie if say Shadee Elmasry managed to use the refusal to enter the UK to garner publicity and reach more people, do you think that would be a reason to let the next Islamist/him in to visit, in the future?

El-Fattah was welcomed with delight. It’ll probably backfire on Starmer anyway as she’s got more PR and can speak from wherever.

Yes, and we also stop our dodgy people from travelling out of the country if we think they might embarrass us overseas. It’s a really garden variety aspect of law enforcement.

It’s amazing to watch some of the masks slip here - people who are more than happy to see people they disagree with banned from the U.K. or stopped from travelling, but then cry victim when it’s someone whose politics they do like. You have to have a rule that works for everyone.

We can and do ban lots of people for being ‘non conducive to the public good’. They don’t have to have been convicted of anything.

Its not just the faux progressives though.
I don't like it much either but the "right" in the Netherlands along the lines of Gerth Van Wilders and Eva have no interest in opposing those things. The political fault lines are different to how they are in the UK. You can't transfer conversations easily about the "liberal left" versus the "conservative right".

You genuinely think they aren't letting her in because she's white? I have white Dutch friends visit me frequently and they have never had any issues.
Are you a man? No shame if you are. But you have mentioned that she is very beautiful several times now. Yes, she is very attractive good for her! But is the implication that she is being barred for this? Or is it meant to make it worse that she is being barred?
As others have pointed out but you have ignored. Radical Muslims etc have also been banned from entering the UK. As have people with criminal records. It's actually very difficult to get a visa from some countries. We have never had uncontrolled immigration or open borders. Yes yes, I know people on small boats. But the reason people get onto dingies is because they can't get into the country via regular routes because we control entry quite strictly.

Really like the Dutch in so many ways. Even admire them. I do think it is different outside Amsterdam and the large urban areas. However, this faux progressive liberal ‘minds so open that brains have fallen out’ attitude does seem to disproportionately allow exploitation and abuse of women and girls in plain sight. Weed/drugs as well. Criminal gangs have become very powerful, and take up a lot of police time. I think they think it is ‘liberal’ and kind of avoid honest evaluation of what it does to people. That would demand an admission that their policies is complicit in the abuses that go on. The Mayor and council of Amsterdam wants the girls in the windows to be moved to a huge erotic mall on the outskirts. It is a bad impression of Amsterdam, apparently. Also, the predatory males (stag do etc) who buy the female bodies for cash, getting high and drunk is also unpleasant. I imagine the womens’/girls’ exploitation can be better ignored when they are in a large warehouse like stock. It is depressing.

https://www.dutchnews.nl/2024/03/amsterdams-erotic-centre-could-open-end-2031-mayor-says/

Neither open or closed. Secure borders; lots of vetting. If people entering into the country were scrutinised as heavily as Eva and others with controversial views, the whole 'smash the gangs' nonsense wouldn't exist.

I do believe there is a racial connotation with Eva's barring. She's also very beautiful. I guess you could say Eva is to politics what Sydney Sweeney is to entertainment.

Good. We seem to be doing a pretty good job of growing our own Nazis. We don't need to import them.

Well, if she is critical of uncontrolled immigration, I'm sure that she will warmly applaud our government for exercising control over who has the right to come to the UK and preventing the entry of an individual who has been deemed a risk.

Those on the right have repeatedly argued that we shouldn't be allowing people into our country if they don't share our values or pose a threat. Her racist views don't align with mainstream British values and our government has assessed that it is not in the national interest to allow her in. Isn't that what they're supposed to be doing?

Or do you only want immigration control when it is applied to the people who you don't like?

So how is Katie Hopkins going to get her in? Does it involve dinghies and the English Channel?

We can’t kick out our own nationals, even if Farage has got two passports.

I've never understood the Dutch attitude towards women - they claim to be so progressive and yet they have the claim to fame of beginning the world wide horror of blocking the puberty of kids based on their preferences for sexist stereotypes and in order to help them live out these sexist stereotypes in adulthood. They've also been happy for decades to be known around world for having streets where women are posed in glass boxes and their bodies sold to passersby. Sometimes they seem to be be so open minded their good sense has left them 🤷‍♀️

I can understand people not wanting to hear what she has to say but can they really dispute it's happening?

What she’s written here is inflammatory