Pronouns campaign being launched at work

Like respecting a queer person suddenly turns one gay?
Please. You have no evidence of broad peer pressure compliance from simply respecting personal choices.

This is pure projection. It's always the same with a propagandist mentality, 'if its said it enough times people will believe it'.

I'm sorry - you know this how, exactly?

A pronoun campaign puts pressure onto people to add pronouns. Pressure, by definition, makes it not so much of a choice.

Et Carthago delenda est.

Strawman. There's no expectation for personal pronoun use other from those who ask for their's to be respected.

Seriously? You read all of that into simply respecting someone else's personal choice? Nobody is being asked to use pronouns for themselves or even agree with the premise rather respect some one else's right to use them as you would a religious person's right to wear a kippa or cross or be addressed as Ms.

Talk about enforced conformity much.

A robust repudiation of bullshit genderwang wherever it appears is anything but fragile.

If not putting pronouns in your email may mark your card with colleagues and bosses who think people should be ousted for Wrongthink, then no, it's not fragile to be concerned. And the excessive fragility of some of the pronoun enthusiasts is completely relevant to the problem.

"Preferred pronouns" are a crybully's dream invention.

I notice that you don't attempt to rebutt any of the excellent reasons why we shouldn't give pronouns:

• Forcing closetted trans people to choose between outing themselves and lying.
• Forcing sex realists to choose between outing themselves and lying.
• Increasing the likelihood of discrimination against women by highlighting who the women are.
• Hampering women's confidence and performance by inducing stereotype threat every time she sends an email.

Whataboutery doesn't make it any less fragile.

You should loudly and enthusiastically say this is great timing, I read this recent article about the gender bias of LinkedIn and how much changing your pronouns and view to male expanded your reach and I’ve been seriously considering adding my pronouns to linked in as he/him and thinking if there’s any neutral version of my name to support my career aspirations. So I’ll be putting he/him for everything.

im at work so can’t search for the article but google for it?

Ah yes, Haitch Lockwood.

I bet Haitch would want to be in the female psych ward. Et Carthago delenda est.

Given the performative fragility of people who burst into floods of tears at being "deadnamed" or "misgendered", then try to get the colleague who said it hounded out of their job, that's actually a pretty hilarious accusation.

Maybe don't be so fragile?

For flip's sake, whoever it was above, PLEASE don't ever suggest quoting or encouraging organisations to follow the "Yogyakarta principles". If you'd ever read the damn things (beyond that little bit you're thinking of) you'd understand why they're the last thing we should be telling anyone to follow, unless you actually WANT legal gender self-ID, all official docs to show only self-identified gender, not sex, etc etc? They're so anti-women that one of the authors later apologised, saying he hadn't thought it through properly and admitting that women's rights hadn't even crossed their minds at the time. They need to disappear into oblivion, not be promoted as best practice!

Channel Anna Rampton from W1A: “No I don’t do that”.

The things you learn about on the Internet, lol.

Jumping the Blåhaj, surely?

Maybe jumping the shark is a relay event?

I've had support request emails in which Slavic language speakers have referred to equipment as "he". As in "The NMR machine won't start and he says <blah error message> on his screen". I've had emails from Far Eastern language speakers addressed to "Dear sirs" when they've already met the female techs. I suspect they learned business English from a very old-fashioned teacher.

In a multinational workforce, there's enough confusion about English pronoun rules without putting pressure on people to Get It Right Or Else about their colleagues. It's arguably indirect discrimination on the basis of race, because that includes national origin.

My new employer asks you to consider including your pronouns in your email sig, along with how to pronounce your name, so written phonetically, if you think people will struggle with it. I have no problems with the latter, and no intention of ever adding the former. 🙄

It probably will depend on the Trust but I applied for a job two years ago and the form didn’t ask. I would be amazed if it came up at interview. Tbh if it did I think I would just look mystified. It’s a very niche practice so I think it’s perfectly reasonable ‘never to have heard of it’.

If I may ask a related question: I have just applied for an NHS job. The application form didn't ask about pronouns, but if am interviewed, is it possible they will ask? And if so, could my answer affect the outcome of my application? Apologies if this is considered a derail.

I have never been asked what my pronouns are before, though I was once given an id badge which stated what my "preferred pronouns" were - apparently someone else decided for me. That was also in the NHS.

https://spectator.com/article/the-collapse-of-stonewall-cant-come-soon-enough/

For your DEI lead, Stonewall aren't far off from calling in the auditors and filing for bankruptcy. Your company has sunk their money in a lame horse.

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/pronouns/