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ArabellaScott · 15/01/2026 14:51

This FOI on the Trust's Trans policy is qjite astonishing. It's 40 odd pages and there's a lot to raise eyebrows, but I'll focus on the single sex relevant parts:

The 'Policy for the Care and Support of Transgender and Non-
Binary People' is from 2023, so was put in place AFTER this rape, if I've got the date correct?

I'll put links at bottom, but I want to lay out the history of the policy, which is also recorded. From around 2019:

'Discussion of adult trans guidance at Southwark Service User & Carer
Advisory Meeting 20/05/19

Changes Made as a Result of Consultation

The group acknowledged the complexity of the issue, recognising that the introduction of single sex wards (whilst improving privacy & dignity) has increased problems in this area.
• They encouraged forward thinking in terms of gender-neutral provision, especially given an increase in the number of non-binary/trans young people using CAMHS service.
• They discussed the need for tolerance and understanding around all “difference” suggesting that routine opportunities for discussions about being inclusive would be helpful for staff and service users alike. The group understood and supported the approach of dealing with inpatient admission of trans service users on a case-by-case basis.
• They suggested that giving clear information to all service users before admission to an inpatient unit about the approach to gender identity might help avoid difficult situations between patients

Discussion of adult trans guidance at
Lambeth Service User & Carer
Advisory Meeting 30/05/19

A group member stated that a LGBTQ+ friend had experienced prejudice in the Trust.
• The group highlighted the need for greater awareness of gender identity issues among staff and service users
• They identified the value of bringing in external expertise to better understand the needs of trans people and the need to encourage more trans service users to get involved in mechanisms such as the Involvement Register.

Circulated to external LGBTQ+ organisations/stakeholders/individuals
on The Trust’s confidential LGBTQ+ MH circulation list 06/10/19

Focus group of 5 trans and non-binary service users and emailed
feedback on Trust Adult Clinical policy facilitated by CliniQ
March 2021:
Changes to definitions, terminology and section on clinical records, staff awareness, behaviour and communication, concerns, complaints.

Feedback on policy from NHS Rainbow Badge Assessment August
2021
Edits to terminology and clarification of protection against unlawful discrimination of non-binary people by HRA in section 5.

'Legal advice on questions raised by TNBCPWG on current clinical policy
received from Trust solicitor.

19/04/21

Response included:
• The way in which the policy deals with single sex exemptions in 13.2 is appropriate.
• The policy EIA meets legal obligations under the public sector equality duty.
• If the policy is applied fairly by staff who are sensitive to the issues, the chance of any successful litigation is minimised.
• The Trust is currently balancing the need for single-sex spaces (e.g. female only wards, toilets, etc) with giving transgender patients a say in how they wish to receive services.
• The Trust should make sure that it does not unlawfully discriminated against anyone making complaints.
• The Trust should support staff who feel uncomfortable performing searches of people of the opposite sex if staff believe this is requested for a malicious reason.'

'13.2 Admission to adult inpatient wards
All decisions to admit trans and non-binary service users should be made on a case-by-case basis in accordance with the legal requirements detailed in section 5 and guidance from NHS England and NHS Improvement and the Royal College of Nursing.
13.2.1 The staring place for making a decision on which ward to admit a trans or non-binary service users should be the individual’s preference. Staff should remain mindful that an individual may not want to be admitted to a ward that matches their gender identity (e.g. a trans man may not want to be admitted to a male ward because of safety concerns)'

'13.2.3 There may be some circumstances where it is lawful to exclude a trans or non-binary service user from single sex ward of their preferred gender but only if this is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim. Establishing these two criteria requires staff to do the following:
• Involve the trans or non-binary service user in discussions about their admission and be explicit about how their rights are being considered.
• Undertake an objective and evidence-based assessment of all relevant aspects of an individual trans or non-binary service user's circumstances, needs and care requirements in addition to their gender identity to justify any decision.
• Completing a comprehensive risk assessment to determine any known risks to other service users or to the trans or non-binary person.
• Balancing the needs of the trans or non-binary person and the detriment to them if they are denied access, against the needs of other service users and any detriment to them if the trans or non-binary person is admitted.
• Take steps to minimise any discrimination against a trans or non-binary service user if access to their preferred ward is justifiably denied.
• Keep a written record to demonstrate why a decision is justified and what steps have been taken to minimise any potential discrimination.
• It may also be useful to consider a theoretical comparator of how a cisgender or male/female service user with exactly the same circumstances would be treated.'

3.3.3 If accommodating a young person’s preferred gender within the ward environment poses significant safeguarding issue which cannot be managed with other interventions, then consideration should be given to moving the young person to another unit without gender demarcation. This should only be considered when all other options have been explored and ruled out. The young person and family /carers should be included in this decision as
much as possible and steps should be taken to minimise any discrimination against the trans or non-binary service user in that unit.
13.4 Risk assessment
All risk assessments for trans and non-binary service users should be undertaken on case-by-case basis in accordance with the Clinical Risk Assessment and Management of Harm policy.
Staff should ensure that they take an objective and evidence-based approach to assessing any potential risks and vulnerabilities that could arise because of a trans or non-binary person being admitted to a ward in accordance with their gender identity. This should consider all relevant factors and not just be based on someone's gender identity alone.'

My bold.

So, looks like activists were actively involved in writign the Trust's policy on housing trans patients according to preference. Who were those 'external organsiations/stakeholders'?

Consulted:

  • Equality, Diversity and Inclusion Group
  • Psychological Therapies Diversity Forum
  • LGBTQ+ Staff Network
  • Trust Rainbow Champions

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/policies_and_protocols_regarding#incoming-2684531

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/policies_and_protocols_regarding/response/2684531/attach/html/4/Care%20and%20Support%20of%20Transgender%20and%20Non%20Binary%20People%20v2%20May%2023.pdf.html

ProfessorBinturong · 15/01/2026 14:31

I must say

"I'm not touching the filthy, right-wing Daily Mail, I'll stick with the respectable and morally-upright Daily Express."

is not a take I was expecting.

ProfessorBinturong · 15/01/2026 14:26

ArabellaScott · 15/01/2026 12:01

This ward, Eden, is classed as 'low security'. I'm not sure how that affects things.

I think that's mainly about getting in and out of the ward, rather than internal arrangements.

ArabellaScott · 15/01/2026 14:09

From 2024 report:

' Where relevant staff worked with patients’ offender managers, and specialist teams responsible for managing Registered Sex Offenders and ensuring public protection.'

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 15/01/2026 14:08

MarvellousMonsters · 15/01/2026 10:41

I’m not opening a Daily Mail link, did she ask to be put in a male ward, or did the staff say she should be there because of her delusion of being male?

A woman was allegedly raped by two men on a men's locked psych ward and you don't want to sully yourself by looking at the DM? Just stop with the purity politics already.

ArabellaScott · 15/01/2026 14:08

This reply has been deleted

This has been withdrawn by MNHQ at the poster's request.

Unfortunately, I think 'be kind' now has to be heard with scare quotes around it. They've repurposed the word 'kind' to mean 'obedient'.

ArabellaScott · 15/01/2026 14:04

https://www.cqc.org.uk/provider/RV5/reports

I'm sure this is a difficult area to work in, to say the least. There appear to have been ongoing and long standing issues wrt safety and safeguarding, specifically short staffing, and many serious incidents including suicides and violence. So, quite a lot of inspections in recent years. This is from 2023, there has been another inspection since, in 2024, which showed some improvements, but still some failings in safety etc:

'The trust did not always meet its targets for compliance with mandatory training in basic and immediate life support, safeguarding training at level 3, the National Early Warning Score, Seni Lewis, and fire warden training.
There was varied quality and consistency of risk assessments and care plans on Virginia Woolf, Leo and ES1 wards, making records hard to follow for staff not familiar with the wards. For some patients there were no care plans about key areas rated as high risk such as neglect and self-harm. Triggers and protective factors identified in risk assessments, were not always included in patients’ care plans.* *
On ES1 ward we had concerns about levels of patient violence and aggression towards other patients and staff, and this was impacting on staff and patients’ morale.
The trust did not always complete serious incident reviews promptly, leading to delays in implementing learning from serious incidents. A small number of actions from serious incident reviews had not been completed within the timescales set including providing training to staff on breaking bad news, and regular emergency scenario training on some wards.'

All inspections: South London and Maudsley NHS Foundation Trust - Care Quality Commission

https://www.cqc.org.uk/provider/RV5/reports

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 15/01/2026 14:00

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This has been withdrawn by MNHQ at the poster's request.

ArabellaScott · 15/01/2026 13:51

'Eden Ward Psychiatric Intensive Care Unit (PICU) is in Lambeth Hospital. We provide low secure, psychiatric hospital care for men, aged 18-65, who have severe and ongoing mental health problems. We care for people who live in the London Borough of Lambeth.

Our team includes health and social care staff from a range of professions. We provide assessments, treatment and intensive nursing care.

A small number of people are brought to hospital under Section 136 of the Mental Health Act. This is a power that police officers can use if someone is in a public place and the police have concerns about them. We have a separate, designated place of safety, a '136 Suite' (Place of Safety), where they can be admitted, assessed and cared for. The police also have powers under the Mental Capacity Act to take someone, either from a public place or their home, to a place of safety - normally this would be to an Emergency Department.'

https://slam.nhs.uk/service-detail/service/eden-ward-30/

Service Detail - South London and Maudsley

https://slam.nhs.uk/service-detail/service/eden-ward-30

ArabellaScott · 15/01/2026 13:41

Oh, the Express is absolutely beyond the pale. 😁

CrossPurposes · 15/01/2026 13:22

MarvellousMonsters · 15/01/2026 12:06

Because the mail is a nasty right wing rag and I won’t contribute to its reader numbers. This has been reported in various other outlets, so no, the mail doesn’t need congratulating.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2157489/trans-raped-male-hospital-ward/amp

I'm pretty sure that the Express is also a "nasty right wing rag".

spannasaurus · 15/01/2026 12:33

The Express reported the day after the Daily Mail so possibly they picked up the report from the DM rather than independently.

MeltedSunshine · 15/01/2026 12:13

MarvellousMonsters · 15/01/2026 12:06

Because the mail is a nasty right wing rag and I won’t contribute to its reader numbers. This has been reported in various other outlets, so no, the mail doesn’t need congratulating.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2157489/trans-raped-male-hospital-ward/amp

How dare a nasty right wing rag report news you want to know about! Don’t let MN draw you away from The Guardian and BBC!

MarvellousMonsters · 15/01/2026 12:06

NotBadConsidering · 15/01/2026 10:52

I’m not opening a Daily Mail link

Why not? If it wasn’t for the Daily Mail we wouldn’t know anything about this. They should be commended.

Because the mail is a nasty right wing rag and I won’t contribute to its reader numbers. This has been reported in various other outlets, so no, the mail doesn’t need congratulating.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2157489/trans-raped-male-hospital-ward/amp

Trans man ‘raped in male hospital ward’ | UK | News | Express.co.uk

The victim was reportedly pushed into a cupboard before being raped in the secure psychiatric ward.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2157489/trans-raped-male-hospital-ward/amp

MeltedSunshine · 15/01/2026 12:04

Ihatetomatoes · 15/01/2026 11:37

I guess so. Submit to.what the individual says they are. Agree, affirm, submit that a male is now a female or a female is now a male, not seen it like that before. You are of course correct.

Where I work, be kind, is a thing. Its up.to them what they want to be, so be kind.

Where you work coercion is a thing….

ArabellaScott · 15/01/2026 12:01

ProfessorBinturong · 15/01/2026 10:27

A very common arrangement is male and female single sex¹ sleeping accommodation, with a shared daytime recreation area. Control of who goes into the sleeping areas is frequently poor, and bedroom doors are not lockable.

In theory there are always staff keeping an eye on things in the shared area, but in practice this offers minimal protection (and only against actual physical assault; not leering, commenting, threats, fear ...).

¹ See usual caveats and disclaimers.

This ward, Eden, is classed as 'low security'. I'm not sure how that affects things.

Ihatetomatoes · 15/01/2026 11:37

MeltedSunshine · 15/01/2026 11:14

By ‘be kind’ you mean ‘submit’

I guess so. Submit to.what the individual says they are. Agree, affirm, submit that a male is now a female or a female is now a male, not seen it like that before. You are of course correct.

Where I work, be kind, is a thing. Its up.to them what they want to be, so be kind.

MeltedSunshine · 15/01/2026 11:14

Ihatetomatoes · 15/01/2026 11:12

By 'be kind' I meant affirm and accept what the individual says, eg I am a man (even though biological female) or I am a woman (even though biological male). Then treat as the chosen gender eg put in places for that sex.

Affirm their choices, accept their chosen gender etc....some of these trans individuals have been 'affirmed' by their families, friends, schools and everybody around them since young (otherwise transphobic 🙄) leads to this type of situation. Few people say to them no you can't change sex.

By ‘be kind’ you mean ‘submit’

Ihatetomatoes · 15/01/2026 11:13

Treylime · 15/01/2026 11:05

Well you won't be able to click on a Guardian or BBC link because they aren't reporting on this trial

Surprise Surprise

Ihatetomatoes · 15/01/2026 11:12

MeltedSunshine · 15/01/2026 09:58

Not be kind (it is not kind to put a woman in a secure male psychiatric ward), you mean be submissive and do what they say.

By 'be kind' I meant affirm and accept what the individual says, eg I am a man (even though biological female) or I am a woman (even though biological male). Then treat as the chosen gender eg put in places for that sex.

Affirm their choices, accept their chosen gender etc....some of these trans individuals have been 'affirmed' by their families, friends, schools and everybody around them since young (otherwise transphobic 🙄) leads to this type of situation. Few people say to them no you can't change sex.

MeltedSunshine · 15/01/2026 11:10

whatwouldafeministdo · 15/01/2026 10:36

Staff will end up being disciplined but it’s the policy makers which should be jailed for this - it’s a corporate failing

Agree - the policy makers should be jailed - they've DELIBERATELY been breaking the law for years. Decimating the ability to safeguard. They're offering up already unhappy women to be raped. Deliberately, knowingly. Causing more harm.

A reminder that though the Equality Act is mostly civil law, it does contain a criminal offence in Part 8 112

Well this was totally predictable
Treylime · 15/01/2026 11:05

Well you won't be able to click on a Guardian or BBC link because they aren't reporting on this trial

NotBadConsidering · 15/01/2026 10:52

MarvellousMonsters · 15/01/2026 10:41

I’m not opening a Daily Mail link, did she ask to be put in a male ward, or did the staff say she should be there because of her delusion of being male?

I’m not opening a Daily Mail link

Why not? If it wasn’t for the Daily Mail we wouldn’t know anything about this. They should be commended.

Greyskybluesky · 15/01/2026 10:45

MarvellousMonsters · 15/01/2026 10:41

I’m not opening a Daily Mail link, did she ask to be put in a male ward, or did the staff say she should be there because of her delusion of being male?

It doesn't say.

But the prosecuting KC said "the hospital is not on trial here; whether it has questions to answer is for a different type of enquiry".

So I really really hope they carry out that enquiry.

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