Well this was totally predictable

Calling women "females" is a bit of a giveaway there mate.

If you cared about this poor guy, you'd respect his identity. Full stop.

No one chooses to be trans, and every supportive parent of a trans person wishes they weren't trans - not because they don't respect & love them, but because they don't want them to be harassed, raped or killed.

Trans men know how vulnerable coming out makes them. It paints an immediate target. Yet they do it - because living openly as themselves is more important than that.

Trans people live with a degree of risk even I - a c!s woman of near 50, with a lifetime of coping with sexual harassment - can fathom. It certainly can't be understood by c!s men.

Trans people also live with a constant, exhausting hypervigilance. It makes trans kids collapse from sheer physical stress. No one chooses that. They are normal human beings who deserve understanding and respect. Misgendering is lame as hell, and says far more about the person doing it

We need safer MH spaces, a functioning justice system - and a far greater understanding of the impact dehumanisation of minorities has on society.

*can't fathom. Lol. Spellchecker strikes again, apologies.

Laters. Hope you all eventually start campaigning against rape culture instead of attacking people who suffer its consequences, but I'm not holding my breath.

*can't fathom. Lol. Spellchecker strikes again, apologies.

Laters. Hope you all eventually start campaigning against rape culture instead of attacking people who suffer its consequences, but I'm not holding my breath.

Calling women "females" is a bit of a giveaway there mate.

If you cared about this poor guy, you'd respect his identity. Full stop.

No one chooses to be trans, and every supportive parent of a trans person wishes they weren't trans - not because they don't respect & love them, but because they don't want them to be harassed, raped or killed.

Trans men know how vulnerable coming out makes them. It paints an immediate target. Yet they do it - because living openly as themselves is more important than that.

Trans people live with a degree of risk even I - a c!s woman of near 50, with a lifetime of coping with sexual harassment - can fathom. It certainly can't be understood by c!s men.

Trans people also live with a constant, exhausting hypervigilance. It makes trans kids collapse from sheer physical stress. No one chooses that. They are normal human beings who deserve understanding and respect. Misgendering is lame as hell, and says far more about the person doing it

We need safer MH spaces, a functioning justice system - and a far greater understanding of the impact dehumanisation of minorities has on society.

*can't fathom. Lol. Spellchecker strikes again, apologies.

Laters. Hope you all eventually start campaigning against rape culture instead of attacking people who suffer its consequences, but I'm not holding my breath.

Calling women "females" is a bit of a giveaway there mate.

If you cared about this poor guy, you'd respect his identity. Full stop.

No one chooses to be trans, and every supportive parent of a trans person wishes they weren't trans - not because they don't respect & love them, but because they don't want them to be harassed, raped or killed.

Trans men know how vulnerable coming out makes them. It paints an immediate target. Yet they do it - because living openly as themselves is more important than that.

Trans people live with a degree of risk even I - a c!s woman of near 50, with a lifetime of coping with sexual harassment - can fathom. It certainly can't be understood by c!s men.

Trans people also live with a constant, exhausting hypervigilance. It makes trans kids collapse from sheer physical stress. No one chooses that. They are normal human beings who deserve understanding and respect. Misgendering is lame as hell, and says far more about the person doing it

We need safer MH spaces, a functioning justice system - and a far greater understanding of the impact dehumanisation of minorities has on society.

@TransParentlyAnnoyed no one is a Terfman or a Terfwoman thanks. You say misgendering is awful, so is this.
I am a person who supports any other persons right to live as they see fit, but society needs rules based on facts to work cohesively and successfully. Based on these facts is that the trans man in this awful situation is a woman and the men on the ward knew this.
If you think we're all horrible hateful 'terfs" you are allowing your prejudices to over take rational thinking. While we are concerned and care about other females safety, which is why we want single sex to mean just that.

It overwhelmingly harms the females who are trans while giving most of the males additional privileges. It's completely male-focused.

Women who use male toilets or changing rooms are putting themselves in harm's way in the misguided belief that men can't tell they are female.
They can.
Instantly in most cases.

Most women are 5 inches shorter than most men in the West.
We have smaller, narrower frames, smaller heads, noses, ears, foreheads, shorter arms and legs, smaller hands and feet. skinny little wrists, no adam's apple, much thinner facial skin, etc, etc, etc.

Most trans men I have met are smaller than me and I'm the average height for a woman. It is utterly cruel to go along with a person's delusion.

I know I shouldn't be shocked that this has happened, but I am still shocked that it has happened.

Gender identity ideology also harms people who identify as trans, sometimes in the most awful way.

How did the men tell she was female?

I know I shouldn't be shocked that this has happened, but I am still shocked that it has happened.

Gender identity ideology also harms people who identify as trans, sometimes in the most awful way.

The female patient won't commit a rape, that's impossible.

I get it: the form enumerates all possible outcomes and then states immediately below that the outcome that would apply to the patient.

Iamnotalemming · Yesterday 08:10
And later put her in another facility with the man who raped her and she had to call 999! The state failing in its most basic functions.

PATIENT NAME
SEX :
■ female
□ male
GENDER

WARD :
□ placed in female ward
■ placed in male ward
■ placed in mixed sex ward

RISK: Rape
Defined in "UK" law as....
Outcomes:
• patient is the victim of the rape
• patient is the rapist.
• patient is a witness to a rape
• other
Risk reduction : victim
Vulnerability reduction (How can a patient prevent their own rape):

Option : Not place patient alongside other patient who is under investigation for raping her?

PATIENT NAME
SEX :
□ female
■ male
GENDER

WARD :
□ placed in female ward
■ placed in male ward
■ placed in mixed sex ward

RISK: Rape
Defined in "UK" law as....
Outcomes:
• patient is the victim of the rape
• patient is the rapist.
• patient is a witness to a rape
• other

Risk reduction : rapist
Vulnerability reduction

Currently under investigation for rape of other female patient on a hospital ward.......

This second event show a basic problem if staff were not able to access inhouse hospital data which proves there is a real risk to be managed.

My point was that the mail wasn’t the only place this was reported. I know the express isn’t much better than the mail, I’m not holding it up as an example of journalistic integrity.

how’s this?

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20260114/281865829861490

This is why I queried if she had insisted she be placed in a male ward, or if staff had decided it was where she should be because she ‘identified’ as male. (Of course my query has been completely derailed because I said I wouldn’t click a daily mail link)

If she insisted she go to a male ward the staff may have felt they no choice for fear of being disciplined for ‘misgendering’ her. If she was placed on the male ward by staff without her insisting on it, it’s again, due to gender fuckery and the staff fearing they’d be disciplined. The SC ruled that single sex spaces should be determined by biological sex, not gender identity, but the NHS is not complying, and this rape is the consequence. That’s what I was discussing.

This is why I queried if she had insisted she be placed in a male ward, or if staff had decided it was where she should be because she ‘identified’ as male. (Of course my query has been completely derailed because I said I wouldn’t click a daily mail link)

If she insisted she go to a male ward the staff may have felt they no choice for fear of being disciplined for ‘misgendering’ her. If she was placed on the male ward by staff without her insisting on it, it’s again, due to gender fuckery and the staff fearing they’d be disciplined. The SC ruled that single sex spaces should be determined by biological sex, not gender identity, but the NHS is not complying, and this rape is the consequence. That’s what I was discussing.

I'm so very sorry for what you went through, and that you weren't believed.

God, to think the Maudsley is still at it after all these years. In 1982 I went to the Maudsley about half a dozen times for what I think was called aversion therapy. I went to the Ladies and felt that immediate sense of relief that I was in a female only space, only to be confronted by a bloke in a dress and a bad wig. People using mh services are so vulnerable and sometimes afraid to complain. Just to add more irony, no one at the Maudsley or any other psychiatric service I went to, would believe that I'd been abused. This disbelief from mh professionals was very widespread then and still happens. Adding men who pretend to be women onto female wards is outrageous. As is putting a woman onto a male ward.

This FOI on the Trust's Trans policy is qjite astonishing. It's 40 odd pages and there's a lot to raise eyebrows, but I'll focus on the single sex relevant parts:

The 'Policy for the Care and Support of Transgender and Non-
Binary People' is from 2023, so was put in place AFTER this rape, if I've got the date correct?

I'll put links at bottom, but I want to lay out the history of the policy, which is also recorded. From around 2019:

'Discussion of adult trans guidance at Southwark Service User & Carer
Advisory Meeting 20/05/19

Changes Made as a Result of Consultation

The group acknowledged the complexity of the issue, recognising that the introduction of single sex wards (whilst improving privacy & dignity) has increased problems in this area.
• They encouraged forward thinking in terms of gender-neutral provision, especially given an increase in the number of non-binary/trans young people using CAMHS service.
• They discussed the need for tolerance and understanding around all “difference” suggesting that routine opportunities for discussions about being inclusive would be helpful for staff and service users alike. The group understood and supported the approach of dealing with inpatient admission of trans service users on a case-by-case basis.
• They suggested that giving clear information to all service users before admission to an inpatient unit about the approach to gender identity might help avoid difficult situations between patients

Discussion of adult trans guidance at
Lambeth Service User & Carer
Advisory Meeting 30/05/19

A group member stated that a LGBTQ+ friend had experienced prejudice in the Trust.
• The group highlighted the need for greater awareness of gender identity issues among staff and service users
• They identified the value of bringing in external expertise to better understand the needs of trans people and the need to encourage more trans service users to get involved in mechanisms such as the Involvement Register.

Circulated to external LGBTQ+ organisations/stakeholders/individuals
on The Trust’s confidential LGBTQ+ MH circulation list 06/10/19

Focus group of 5 trans and non-binary service users and emailed
feedback on Trust Adult Clinical policy facilitated by CliniQ
March 2021:
Changes to definitions, terminology and section on clinical records, staff awareness, behaviour and communication, concerns, complaints.

Feedback on policy from NHS Rainbow Badge Assessment August
2021
Edits to terminology and clarification of protection against unlawful discrimination of non-binary people by HRA in section 5.

'Legal advice on questions raised by TNBCPWG on current clinical policy
received from Trust solicitor.

19/04/21

Response included:
• The way in which the policy deals with single sex exemptions in 13.2 is appropriate.
• The policy EIA meets legal obligations under the public sector equality duty.
• If the policy is applied fairly by staff who are sensitive to the issues, the chance of any successful litigation is minimised.
• The Trust is currently balancing the need for single-sex spaces (e.g. female only wards, toilets, etc) with giving transgender patients a say in how they wish to receive services.
• The Trust should make sure that it does not unlawfully discriminated against anyone making complaints.
• The Trust should support staff who feel uncomfortable performing searches of people of the opposite sex if staff believe this is requested for a malicious reason.'

'13.2 Admission to adult inpatient wards
All decisions to admit trans and non-binary service users should be made on a case-by-case basis in accordance with the legal requirements detailed in section 5 and guidance from NHS England and NHS Improvement and the Royal College of Nursing.
13.2.1 The staring place for making a decision on which ward to admit a trans or non-binary service users should be the individual’s preference. Staff should remain mindful that an individual may not want to be admitted to a ward that matches their gender identity (e.g. a trans man may not want to be admitted to a male ward because of safety concerns)'

'13.2.3 There may be some circumstances where it is lawful to exclude a trans or non-binary service user from single sex ward of their preferred gender but only if this is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim. Establishing these two criteria requires staff to do the following:
• Involve the trans or non-binary service user in discussions about their admission and be explicit about how their rights are being considered.
• Undertake an objective and evidence-based assessment of all relevant aspects of an individual trans or non-binary service user's circumstances, needs and care requirements in addition to their gender identity to justify any decision.
• Completing a comprehensive risk assessment to determine any known risks to other service users or to the trans or non-binary person.
• Balancing the needs of the trans or non-binary person and the detriment to them if they are denied access, against the needs of other service users and any detriment to them if the trans or non-binary person is admitted.
• Take steps to minimise any discrimination against a trans or non-binary service user if access to their preferred ward is justifiably denied.
• Keep a written record to demonstrate why a decision is justified and what steps have been taken to minimise any potential discrimination.
• It may also be useful to consider a theoretical comparator of how a cisgender or male/female service user with exactly the same circumstances would be treated.'

3.3.3 If accommodating a young person’s preferred gender within the ward environment poses significant safeguarding issue which cannot be managed with other interventions, then consideration should be given to moving the young person to another unit without gender demarcation. This should only be considered when all other options have been explored and ruled out. The young person and family /carers should be included in this decision as
much as possible and steps should be taken to minimise any discrimination against the trans or non-binary service user in that unit.
13.4 Risk assessment
All risk assessments for trans and non-binary service users should be undertaken on case-by-case basis in accordance with the Clinical Risk Assessment and Management of Harm policy.
Staff should ensure that they take an objective and evidence-based approach to assessing any potential risks and vulnerabilities that could arise because of a trans or non-binary person being admitted to a ward in accordance with their gender identity. This should consider all relevant factors and not just be based on someone's gender identity alone.'

My bold.

So, looks like activists were actively involved in writign the Trust's policy on housing trans patients according to preference. Who were those 'external organsiations/stakeholders'?

Consulted:

• Equality, Diversity and Inclusion Group
• Psychological Therapies Diversity Forum
• LGBTQ+ Staff Network
• Trust Rainbow Champions

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/policies_and_protocols_regarding#incoming-2684531

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/policies_and_protocols_regarding/response/2684531/attach/html/4/Care%20and%20Support%20of%20Transgender%20and%20Non%20Binary%20People%20v2%20May%2023.pdf.html

What the actual f*ck is wrong with the people in charge of the NHS that they thought putting a biologically female patient in with a group of mentally unwell men, unsupervised, was a good idea? Raped twice, within hours of arrival, and the staff did nothing to help. And later put her in another facility with the man who raped her and she had to call 999! The state failing in its most basic functions.

I am so f*cking sad and angry about this.

It is South London and Maudsley NHS Foundation Trust. It was audited by us and is typical of mental health trusts - see my earlier post.