RSPB again

Yes, that seems plausible. Kind of like when they have playgroups for SAHDs. Although there are other ways to approach that issue which don't run into the issue of women's walks that they feel the need to include men on.

Id love to go on a quiet country walk to watch birds with other women. I wouldn't go if men were involved though.

Why do they do stuff like this?! I'm so sick of getting excited to see a women's group or activity advertised and then find in actual fact, men are also allowed. 🙄

It'll be to get more women to join. I suspect this centre has few women compared with the other centres who arent offering the walk.

Is it time for this again?

I don't think a women-only bird walk (under any definition of 'women') is legal. It's direct sex discrimination in the provision of a service, and it appear to meet none of the gateway conditions in Schedule 3 of EA2010 that would make that discrimination legal.

They would try to argue that a mixed-sex bird walk service would be "less effective" than a single sex one, that a single sex service is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim. But unless there's some hidden purpose for a bird walk other than to look at birds while walking it would be a very difficult row to hoe, I think.

I've emailed the RSPB listing the following issues:

• Are your volunteers really female or do they also just identify as female?
• vulnerable women who deliberately choose a women's only walk because they're scared of men could feel very threatened by walking around the open countryside with men;
• a woman could turn up and find herself the only woman there surrounded by a bunch of blokes;
• it's discriminatory to only allow men who 'identify' as women and not to allow men who don't;
• you are breaking the 2010 Equality law by allowing men into a woman only space'
• It's not part of your charity charter to promote Trans ideology

I'm so annoyed with the RSPB, I've been member for decades so would be very sad to have to cancel my membership but I've told them that depending on their response I will ...... and I will!

Yeah - I was thinking, why do they need to have women only walks anyway? There really is no reason that everything they do should not just be open to the general public.

I sometimes find this in my workplace, they want to host events for special groups, when when you actually look at the event, there is no reason that it should be limited at all, it is something that everyone could enjoy and no reason to target it at any specific demographic group. It's usually just because they seem to be unable to see that "people who might like to meet up for a card party every week" is enough of a group without dividing them by sex, age, race, or sexuality.

😂
Imagine openly displaying your ignorance of the law, facts and science in an attempt to "gotcha' someone. Oh dear.

And illegal.
The Equality Act 2010 makes it clear that allowing some men i.e. ones who ID as women to participate, but not men who ID as men, is discriminatory.

So under the EA2010, if they send one man to the moon they have to send them all there

They are excluding men who identify as male only. How is this not misandry and bigotry?

Listen to yourself

I'm shocked I tell ya'.

Shocked. 😱

I would imagine that there might be many women out there who are interested in nature, birds, walking and female company. I imagine many of the target participants are aged over 60 and they might well have (1) had enough of men, and (2) not wish to turn up at a car-park in the middle of nowhere and find that it is them and a bloke that are the first two to have turned up.

Men need to start turning up at events for women that invite men to turn up. We need to turn up and say our piece, and then leave. If there's a trans'woman' there we can instead spend all of the event as close to him as possible talking about football and beer and classic cars and steam trains (though I note that one famous trans'woman' barrister who has frequented this board is interested in at least three of those stereotypically male interests - as he is perfectly entitled to be, and would entitled to be if he was a woman).

Fucking hell, RSPB. I thought it was birds that you care about. What is the point of offering women-only walks in the first place? especially if you don't like the idea of women-only walks being for women only? Just fucking do what your charitable purposes require you to do and stop pissing about with ways to circumvent an entirely fake gesture of concern for women.

Perhaps you think of women as 'birds'? This would explain the fact that you think you have to care about them whilst also at the same time being total fucking misogynists.

I honestly think the only reason they're organising a walk for women is so they can 'include' men with lady brain. Women are only the pretext.

"Just organise walks for people."

Yes this.

It's a country walk, outside, to look at birds in their natural habitat. Let it be for anyone interested and get the maximum number of people involved (and avoid all the pissing people off and negative press).

It's as if stroppy teenagers have taken over the world 🙄

Just organise walks for people. Stop using charities to push your niche misunderstanding of biology and facts.

I would definitely attend one of these if it were reasonably close to where I live, but I cannot see any advertised as women only that are in my region.

Whilst I know us women are great, I think perhaps it might be an idea to get the men who support us to turn up, and we don't.
It'll be all males.
They can't complain really can they?

Then just call it what it is then eh?

It’s a walk. For adults. Everyone who likes birds or nature or whatever is welcome. Why go to the actual bothering of specifying ‘women only’ to then follow that up with ‘ but you can also join us if you have a penis. Or used to have one.’

pathetic nonsense

Email sent ✅

Maybe they are confused because in birds it's the females who have heterogametic chromosomes?

This is such a shame because the RSPB do so much work for struggling wildllife and they are alienating people who support them.

Just cancelled my membership, sent an email and told them why