Womens toilet with cubicles in the workplace

Why are you using such a gendered description of people who simply want the law withheld?

im a rape and SA survivor. Due to trauma caused by that I can’t have a man on the other side of a locked door.

why don’t you think men should have to obey the law?

You should rename to "CherryPickingMyNumbersGuy"

On reflection, one of the hospitals is Scotland so wouldn't have been picked up by the above even if done properly. So make that 1 hospital and 23 complaints.

The early 90s were an awesome time. The Soviet Union had crumbled, grunge was at its peak, dance music was fab, people weren't staring down a phone most of their awake time yet and nobody was in any doubt whatsoever about biological sex. Don't diss 1992.

There were more than four girls upset at the inclusion of a male student in their loos at my child's school alone. They were told they would be disciplined if they complained. So "only four complaints" means nothing.

Women often don't complain, because of the consequences of doing so. When they do complain, it's rarely recorded.

These FoI requests cover only public bodies; the vast majority of employers or venues aren't included in the above research. (And only the public bodies who were asked, which is not all of them - I can point to 2 hospitals that between them have a minimum of 24 complaints.)

And it also only covers complaints, not crimes - so horrific events like 'Katie' Dolotwski's attacks on children are missed out. And 3 years isn't very long.

And who the hell eats biscuits with wine? (Cantuccini excluded, obviously.)

If he is masturbating, filming on his phone under the cubicle door, recording women urinating for sexual kicks, waiting for a child to come in alone? (All reported, verified events) You are ok with that?

All this proves is that women’s complaints aren’t being recorded, but we already knew that. There have been several employment tribunals now where there were clear trails of emails and discussions where women had raised complaints and the employer had taken no action or had taken action against the complainant.

That’s nice dear.

There are many excellent reasons for excluding men (which means excluding all transwomen) from Women's Toilets:

• If the cubicle door/walls have gaps at the top and bottom (very beneficial for safety), it is easy to film using a mobile phone slotted under or over
• Evidence shows that a transwoman is as likely as any other man to commit a violent or sexual crime
• A man who dresses as a woman for erotic purposes could find just being in the Women's Toilets arousing. So he presents a greater danger to women and girls than the average man
• Very few transwomen pass so they will be correctly seen by other users as men. And this is likely to make some women and girls feel uncomfortable and/or unsafe
• When women or girls feel unsafe in public they're more likely to self-exclude rather than complain and risk being labelled transphobic
• So including transwomen means excluding women and girls

I was interested you mention that in your circles, there's majority support for transwomen's inclusion in women's spaces.

Very few women I know over the age of 35, support inclusion. The only exceptions being those on the very hard-left. Even women working in an apparently captured profession, e.g. social work, charity sector or television production, usually pay lip service at work, while being privately relieved by the Supreme Court ruling on the Equality Act 2010.

There are no benefits to women and girls from including men in their single sex spaces. Transwomen are men. But there are many costs and risks of allowing them in.

I'm sorry you had to deal with sexual abuse. Your reaction is completely understandable. So many women deal with a lifetime of reactions to trauma, all of us coping as best we can. Every time I think about it, I get very sad, esp bc so much abuse still goes on.

No one asks to be abused or to have reactions that make their life more difficult, even long after the abuse ends. I don't understand why people like IndianaJet are so judgmental about how some people react to trauma.

Yes the most recent update to the health and safety law covering this

Wrong look up Katie Dawalski he identified as a woman before he sexually assaulted 2 girls in supermarket toilets

@GenderlessVoidI am so, so sorry that happened to you. Awful, just awful. I was sexually abused by an older male family member - I am very wary of being alone in areas that I can't escape from easily.

Yep 1992 and what is more it was a European directive, like your username suits you.

Because you are in an enclosed area with a random male.

I'm shocked that you used "hysteria" to describe women's reaction to something. Are you trying to be goady? That's such a blatantly misogynistic term that I can't think of any other reason to use it on a feminist forum.

To answer your question, I was raped in a public toilet when I was a toddler. It may be my earliest memory. I have flashbacks if I see a man in a public toilet. Is that a good enough reason, in your opinion, for me to not want to see men, including transwomen, in public toilets or will you mock my "hysteria" for wanting to avoid flashbacks which can last for hours or days and include pain, terror, and wanting to die? What if my religion prohibited me from sharing intimate spaces with men? Is that acceptable to you or do you mock those women too?

A 1992 regulation that updates a 1960s one, that updated a 1940s one. Not sure what you find shocking about the date.

@Hoardasurass 1992?

If you have such a liberal definition of the word 'hysteria' you apply it to a woman calmly seeking clarification on her rights to single sex toilets at work, then I'm not surprised you think its everywhere.

@Indianajet @InfoSecInTheCity Toilet doors have to be openable from the outside for building regs due to health and safety. So you are in an enclosed space and if it’s unisex it is private so you have no idea who is waiting outside the cubicle other than both men and women are permitted to be there. 100% of the perpetrators of sexual assaults in toilets are men.

If anyone was to have a medical emergency inside the cubicle, it can take hours or even days before they are found (based on real evidence I have from the last few years in this country). Private toilets are more likely to be used for sex and drug use, which is a reason why disabled toilets can have a radar key.

Single sex toilets in a single sex environment are the only ones (in England at least) that can have door gaps for ventilation, cleaning, supervision and prevention of misuse. In contrast unisex toilets have to be private and contain the basin and dryer in them (in England). Medical studies have shown unisex toilets contain the most pathogens. You are basically washing your hands in the sink and drying your hands in the dryer that both will have microbes on from the plume that rises up from the flushes of the previous occupants if they are around 1m or less from the toilet without a barrier. There is a reason unisex toilet rooms smell more.

I am not hysterical, just into researching the healthiest and safest toilets for everyone to use, in particular medically vulnerable people, women and children.

Regarding health and safety, everyone is at a disadvantage but the least disadvantaged are healthy men.

So you're OK with men using the women's toilets. What about toilets where the cubicle doors and sides are high off thefloor, or have a large gap above? You know, the ones where you have handed toilet paper to the next woman?

If toilets are OK, what about changing rooms? Does is make a difference to you whether there is a 'lockable' door, or is a curtain OK if men are wandering around? Doors can be unlocked from the outside, so what difference does a curtain?

If changing rooms with curtained cubicles are OK, what about communal showers?

Where are your boundaries?

Do you have boundaries?

Do you respect other people's boundaries?

Do you respect women's boundaries?

Any space where it is justified to exclude men like female only toilets must exclude all men - even if they really really don’t want to be men.

So-called ‘transwomen’ are men.

No violence from men towards women? Wtf?

are you for real?