Womens toilet with cubicles in the workplace

At my work, women regularly used the communal space of the toilet to get changed. Because the toilet floors were not clean.

I was in a major London museum last week with unisex, lockable cubicles. Unfortunately there was a man urinating in one of them with the door wide open. I had rushed in to what I thought was the first vacant cubicle and there he was. A lovely experience, as you can imagine.

I know, right?

How about that! What next?

That's not a toilet though, is it?

Good Lord. Just stay out of the ladies, mate, okay?

And have a word with your fellow cohorts who keep filming themselves wanking in there.

So, you have never had to be in a toilet which ran out of toilet paper?

You have never had a meeting you couldn’t leave go over long so you had leakage?

You have never been in a work situation while still breast feeding and couldn’t express in time before leaking?

You have never got blood on your long sleeves and had to rinse the top of your sleeve off?

You have had to wash the trace amount of blood that you leave despite all your efforts with paper into a brightly lit white basin with shared drainage?

Well. I am pleased your life has been so predictable and easy to manage. Perhaps though you can understand that there are situations where others do not have such predictability and may end up being as ‘unhygienic as fuck’. Washing hands in a basin is exactly what the basin is there for.

Or was your intention just to shame women you disagree with?

Unhygienic? Lol.
"For matters of hygiene, please ensure you wash your hands before using this hand washing facility"

So it does happen to you but it’s barely visible?

So you say that you do wash off menstrual blood at the sink but it’s just not very visible…how unhygienic!

lol. So it's only unhygienic if you can see the blood?

Another person who thinks women's biology is icky.

And homophobia as a lot of "the cool grandmummies" think that trans = gay male.

Lots of Male TRA recognise predatory males in the movement they just DGAF that they are forcing women to take on the risk by forcing mixed sex areas and removing single sex spaces.

I think thick, goady men are best ignored.

Fuck. I thought I was alone in having to drive sitting on a plastic bag due to menstrual flooding!

I genuinely don’t think some people understand what menstrual flooding really means. I remember a woman on an AIBU thread shaming women for post after post. Turns out her ‘heavy’ period was the equivalent of a light flow. It never stopped her shaming others discussing their flooding though. She too told us it was icky to read it all.

And yet, just reading others have similar experiences is comforting to know someone understands.

To be fair, in a work environment, where it’s a known group of colleagues, with a boss who’d sack anyone who made trouble, one may feel it’s not such an issue there.
not that I would want men in the ladies loos at work for various reasons but it’s probably the one place I’d not feel unsafe with that situation. But we do need a hard clear line so best to have everything separate.

I have asked this before - I do understand what is said re no biological men using female toilets.
However I do wonder how biological women identifying as men manage in the female toilet - especially if they’ve had any surgery- as I know some people do get challenged re their right in a specified sex toilet. Is it an issue?
I was interested in the dangers of gender neutral toilets - I tended to go down many, many stairs (though lift back up!) to access these in one place I worked, as they were the only toilets I could use that were consistently clean and usable - sad but true - tbh I preferred the full cubicle in general and wondered why they weren’t in all toilets - but hadn’t realised it had these issues.

Slow hand clap for you.

I use toilet paper to wipe off my hands as much as possible so it's barely visible before I go out to wash my hands. Like a normal person.

You do wash your blood stained hands in the sink like any normal woman has had to do at some stage in her life.

No boy or man will ever have the same issue.

Now if you find that funny have a hard look at yourself as you are unhygienic as fuck too.

And yes girls and women whos collection method fails end up with blood on clothing.

Dude. You understand that we KNOW about more than four complaints right? In Darlington alone 25 women complained. Really they should have picked a bigger number for their lie given it’s so easily disproved.

That's nice for you. It has nothing to do with what the OP asked though, or the actual law.

So speaks a man who cannot understand women’s fear.

Thanks for showing us clearly you really don’t understand the power dynamics faced by women who fear the repercussions of signalling their lack of consent for male people being in female single sex provisions.

Your post is a great demonstration of the emotional manipulation tactics that have been used for anyone who is unfamiliar with it. Women shamed if they do complain, called names, suspended from their jobs, women shamed if they don’t.

And which sex has created this issue? Men.

Which sex did the investigation after creating the environment that suppressed women’s negative voices? Men.

Thank you for illustrating it so well though.

Well said.
I also abhor the word hysteria.

I have news for you. People wash SHIT off their hands in those sinks.

and I have washed blood out of my shorts and dried them with the drier because I flooded all over them.

The lack of formal complaints from hospitalised women doesn't really serve as justification to remove single sex wards.
Do you have data on the number of complaints made by transwomen who have been assaulted by men on male wards, so we can get an all round picture of the risk?

Men who identify as women know they are men. Why don’t they just use the men’s? They are no more at risk in the men’s toilets than other men. Why would you want to go somewhere you are not welcome? Women self exclude so won’t they if that want emulate women?

Ah, you too are doing it, using the sociopathic argument of, "Let's dismiss those few women as non-persons unworthy of being respected and cared for." Why do you do that?

Hospitals? who had a written policy which staff were obliged to follow the rule that males who opt to use female spaces should be documented as being female.

Woman objected to woman in woman only space.....

Or that hospitals management were unable to make it clear that ignoring a specific request for sex based care is assault. Fife ED managers wanted their long time staff member jailed for asking for privacy a member of the public objecting to the male doctor would not have had a chance...

When I was perimenopausal I regularly had flooding so bad I had to drive sitting on a plastic bag.

youre damn right I rinsed my clothes in the sink.

I had spare clothes in the boot of my car but you’re damn right I needed to wipe myself off (cheeky wipes - wet them under the tap) and rinse out my clothes and the used wipe in the sink.

and no. Being peri I couldn’t predict when my period was going to start.