Womens toilet with cubicles in the workplace

Apologies if already mentioned, google Katie Dolatowski.
Also when a place becomes mixed sex, sex crimes are far higher due to predators taking advantage of trans rights. "mixed-sex changing rooms were the location of at least 16 rapes, 80 sexual assaults and 65 acts of voyeurism in England and Wales in 2023."
WRN did some work recently https://www.womensrights.network/post/how-leisure-centres-enable-sexual-predators but you know what's really bad, this had already been done in 2018 so we can't say we didn't know, and here we are in 2023 via this policy 16 women raped in 2023. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html

Theres an influx of toilet threads with new one-timers on.

I will say it again, the report showing that only 4 councils documented a complaint in a 3 year period just shows women’s concerns don’t get documented in council run toilets that are women only. That is it.

It’s useful for the Sandy Peggy case etc because it shows nothing gets officially documented when there’s clearly so much uproar over it.

For instance in schools. There’s countless reports in newspapers complaining about school toilets.

There is no definition of what a public toilet is or how many public toilets we have in this country. We know more about the numbers of streetlights than toilets.

But I have spilt yogurt down my blouse before a big meeting, taken it off, rinsed it and dried it under the hand dryer (hoping none of the female managers at the meeting came in!) Not something I would be best pleased doing in front of Steven/Stephanie from IT.

I also used the illegally unisex loos at my son's school during Parents Evening. Used the cubicle then washed my hands next to a strapping bloke. He looked as embarrassed, awkward and uncomfortable as me.

In the 1990s in Cardiff, a new nightclub installed funky new toilets. A round space with a round sink installation in the middle and individual cubicles around it. Changed back to two single sex spaces within a month of opening. Everyone hated it and one thing often overlooked, women missed the safe, communal experience of the women's loos.

If you are open to discussion, maybe you could clarify your post.

Firstly, do you understand the safeguarding principles around segregation based on sex that are used to form toilet policy from the beginning ?

If you understand the issue in prison, if you think about why there are significant issues in prison you surely must understand that the same thing applies in all single sex spaces. If male people are attacking female people in prison when they say that they are female, what is the difference between them and any other male person when considering population risk factors? If you understand the prison issue, you understand those male people with transgender identities have not suddenly moved to having the same or lower risk of harming women as other women.

Because other women are still allowed to share cells with other women, aren’t they? Because female people have a much lower risk of committing sex crime against a female person than a male person.

Those male people are now excluded from female prisons because it was evidenced that they still committed male pattern crime even though they believe they are female people.

Do you believe that group of male people, those with transgender identities, should access any female single sex space?

The domestic violence and abuse issue is one that isn’t hard to understand. For an easy example, if a two people are now separated but still work at the same place, that male person who has a transgender identity will use the same toilets as the ex partner if the policy or law allows it. It is very easy for the male person to time toilet visits as an act of intimidation. I know of at least one workplace where this happened. The woman complained and was told there was nothing the employer could do about it. She then left her job and had to get another one. In the meantime, she has lost income and had to support her and the children.

This is just one scenario and it didn’t involve any ‘violence’ at the workplace at all. Just intimidation that was her word against his and the workplace said that they wouldn’t accommodate her needs .

The grandmothers of these girls probably thought their granddaughters would be safe behind a locked cubicle door.

Trouble is, the cameras were already in there with them.

For those who don't want to click: he installed hidden cameras inside bathrooms, changing rooms and other locations to film girls.

https://www.nottinghamshire.police.uk/news/nottinghamshire/news/news/2025/october/voyeur-sexually-abused-girls-while-filming-them-in-secret/

A cubicle door is a flimsy bit of plastic with gaps all around it. You can hear everything. You and your grandaughters are sat with your genitals/arse out and just a thin plastic partition separating you from your toileting neighbour. That's hardly protecting you from predators is it

It's incredibly naive/stupid to think that there arent men won't try to assault, or look film around the gaps or gain sexual pleasure in that scenario.

Technically, a Stand-To-Pee device can be used by any woman, over the vulva; it's not just for transmen, though there seems to be a big market there. I personally could never be bothered with the logistics, and just use a cubicle.

@KitWyn

Very few women I know over the age of 35, support inclusion. The only exceptions being those on the very hard-left. Even women working in an apparently captured profession, e.g. social work, charity sector or television production, usually pay lip service at work, while being privately relieved by the Supreme Court ruling on the Equality Act 2010

worse than that very few women full stop support inclusion. I have a 21 year old DD at a very left leaning university and she has been full indoctrinated into the “be kind” (Covid years and the opportunity to be permanently online were brutal for our young adults) even she knows that TW are men and a risk to women and girls. But she barely dare articulate it. for fear of how she might be perceived.

We had a devastating conversation when she was 17 where she said she was fine with men in women’s bathrooms and I asked whether she would leave her 10 year old sister in the bathroom with a man and she was horrified. Of course she wouldn’t. But she would sacrifice her own teen safety at the alter of be kind.

He won’t. As far as he is concerned, he is as private as if he was using a urinal, probably feels even more private.

He doesn’t care. And that’s being generous.

oh we have long been unhygienic and hysterical - vaguely reassuring really !

Yep. And if you mention these things apparently, according to some, you are fetishising toilets, skeevy and weird, icky, and doing things in the toilet that you shouldn’t be, exposing yourself to women who don’t want to be exposed to the needs of other women.

Now we are hysterical and unhygienic!

But if males with a trans identity are allowed in women’s toilets as they are “women” why should they be excluded from any other female facility? Why should they not be in female prisons, refuges and changing rooms? Why only toilets?

It seems this might be useful again.

Just a reminder of how female toilet spaces are used and why single mixed sex cubicles should not be accepted as the only toilets available in areas outside of very small businesses.

Toilets are not just used behind a closed cubicle door. There are quite a few aspects of female toilet usage that happen in the public space, or even now still occur with a toilet door jammed open.

Don’t forget there is the safety aspect where people may rely on the gaps under doors and walls for their safety. We already had someone mention helping a woman who was on the floor that they could see because of the gap. We have had others on other threads point out that they feel safer with gaps after being attacked in mixed sex toilets that are fully enclosed and no one could see them.

From my personal experience, here is a list.

I have had to use the toilet while having a pram / pushchair jammed into the door with groceries.

I have had to have my mum use the public toilet because the disable toilet was not available and had her wheelchair jammed in the door because I couldn't leave her sit to move it and shut the door.

I have had breastmilk leaks / children's vomit / food spilled on my clothes and needed to have an unbuttoned top to dry the top under the hand drier.

I have come across other women quite regularly washing out their tops or their skirts etc and drying them enough to put back on .

I have friends who have miscarried in toilets and needed assistance and for that to be female people to make it more comfortable.

Even with mixed sex cubicles with basins, they don’t usually have the space needed for prams. And if a woman is trying to dry themselves using a drier in the cubicle, it restricts traffic flow and causes the line to grow. Even if it is just internal pressure that she feels, there will be pressure on her to leave the cubicle quickly. In an open space she will less inclined to feel that pressure.

If you as a female person have not experienced these issues, that doesn't mean it is not happening. I am glad that you have never needed to do this things, it is uncomfortable and can be quite humiliating. But at least, in a female only toilet, it is a little better.
I think when people think of toilet usage, maybe they have never had to use the toilets in any other way other than behind a closed door.

That is a privilege in that respect.

But the needs are still there and they are real for many female people to be able to engage in public life.

To allow any male person toileting spaces (over the age of about 8 years old) removes some of the usability of this space for female people.

Demanding that all toilets are changed into single cubicles doesn’t mean that the issues where women and girls need the extra space and privacy for everyday occurrences go away. That style of toilet means female people will just self exclude because of a loss of provision.

Never had to deal with baby poonami all over your top.

Never had to clean puke, breastmilk or formula off your top.

Never had to rinse your little dd’s knickers out after an accident and dry them under the hand-dryer.

Never had to rinse your own knickers out after a post-natal stress or urge incontinence episode and dry them under the hand dryer.

Never helped a stranger mother struggling to juggle her baby and/or her toddler in one of those situations.

What a carefree life.

Yeah. I realise now that I had my super optimistic hat on. It is quite something to realise that I can slip back into naivety so quickly.

Many more women and girls than you realise have to share sinks with boys and men. Around 25% of secondary schools have a variety of mixed sex facilities, wc cubicles with outer shared sinks.

Horrible designs. Here’s some photos of typical new school toilet designs, marketed as ‘inclusive’. The cubicles are completely private so there’s no way of knowing if a child needs help.

Women identifying as men are welcome in the ladies. They never pass as men just as men don’t pass as women. I don’t know the % who have the fake floppy penis but I imagine it’s minuscule. They can’t get an erection.

I just looked it up and most sit on the toilet or else if they want to stand to pee they need a specific rubber device they place over their fake penis called an STP device which they would have to fit it in a cubicle anyway.

you reckon? (I know you don't)

Have the 'bring in the men' bunch ever heard of flashers? Do they know exhibitionism is a sexual kink? Do they know transgressive sexual kinks escalate?

true.

So you don't wash your hands? You just wipe them and leave it at that?

Ugh.

Or he is delighted he can sex offend in public (and has no interest in the other displays)

And This happens so bloody often. Barely a thread goes by without at least one woman mentioning jt.

I remember India Willoughby absolutely outraged over women daring to have biology in their own toilets.

I really don't know what we are thinking, requiring accommodation for bodily functions, when everyone knows the only purpose of a female toilet is to validate men.

Maybe next time he will learn to lock the door.