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Foodylicious · 2026-01-08T22:08:47+00:00

What should the position be here from the employer/organisation perspective, regarding a transwomen intermittently using these, as opposed to the single enclosed toilet (think typical disabled facility available in a supermarket/cafe) they use most of thw time, that is on the same floor/in close proximity. Edited to add: This is UK, England.

Helleofabore · 10/01/2026 08:55

NaomiCunninghamHasHadHerWeetabixAgain · 10/01/2026 08:31

Me. I’ve had to this week after a heavy period at work. I use non-applicator tampons too and while I can wipe down as best as possible before going to the shared sinks, there’s some residue blood around the fingertip and nail and make sure that’s away before leaving. So, yes, me. I’m that person.

I also don’t want or expect to have to be changing sanitary products within earshot or any man. None of their business that I’m on my period. And being perimenopausal, I have no clue when it’s coming so there may be times I’m changing more than just a tampons but dealing with a clothing emergency. So, yeah, your ‘who the fuck ‘ person is me.

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It was only.a week or two ago, that I was told how weak I was for not wanting a male colleague from hearing the opening of san pro packets as an indication that I was menstruating by a poster on MN.

Apparently, it isn’t feminist to want that privacy. Instead we should be letting the world know.

borntobequiet · 10/01/2026 08:42

Indianajet · 09/01/2026 18:14

As so many people have quoted me, I feel I should qualify my statement - I am not worried about using toilets that are also used by men, as long as I can lock the door. Our changing cubicles at the Leisure Centre I use are used by men and women- again I am happy as I can lock the door.
I did not give any opinion on transwomen using any other facilities such as open communal changing facilities - I wouldn't use them anyway as I like my privacy from both men and women.
I apologise for using the word hysteria - I am trying to think of another word that wouldn't offend. Fuss? Agitation?
I am sad for anyone who has suffered abuse, but I am not afraid of transwomen using the same toilets I do.

Jolly good. Do you remember to check for hidden cameras? Especially as you like your privacy.

NaomiCunninghamHasHadHerWeetabixAgain · 10/01/2026 08:31

bananastraightener · 09/01/2026 08:37

Who the fuck washes menstrual blood from their hands at a set of shared sinks?
I have NEVER seen this and frankly that's unhygienic as fuck and I would not be pleased if I saw that. I use a menstrual cup and if it gets messy, I use toilet paper to wipe off my hands as much as possible so it's barely visible before I go out to wash my hands. Like a normal person.

It's genuinely funny as hell that this is brought up as a talking point as though it's commonplace for women to be rinsing bloody hands and their blood-soaked clothes in shared sinks in a toilet.

Me. I’ve had to this week after a heavy period at work. I use non-applicator tampons too and while I can wipe down as best as possible before going to the shared sinks, there’s some residue blood around the fingertip and nail and make sure that’s away before leaving. So, yes, me. I’m that person.

I also don’t want or expect to have to be changing sanitary products within earshot or any man. None of their business that I’m on my period. And being perimenopausal, I have no clue when it’s coming so there may be times I’m changing more than just a tampons but dealing with a clothing emergency. So, yeah, your ‘who the fuck ‘ person is me.

DeanElderberry · 10/01/2026 08:19

GoldOpenAccess · 09/01/2026 23:53

You've clearly no idea of male sexuality at all.

And no empathy or understanding for your fellow women.

You just don't get it - and that's privilege

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That is an astute comment.

It makes me wonder whether the way some of the young live now - carried by car to organised activities and to school, always with a phone in hand - insulates them from the horrible introduction to predatory male sex perverts that most of us oldies go from the 60s to the 90s. From the flashers to the catcallers to the underwear thieves to the peepers and the touchers and the gropers. By the time we were 18 we knew there we dodgy men all over the place.

Making a blanket claim that they are not afraid of men with a specialised interest in entering female spaces is so naive.

borntobequiet · 10/01/2026 08:07

Indianajet · 08/01/2026 22:31

I know I am in the .minority in here, though not in the circles I move in - I just do not get the hysteria over toilets.
I am a woman, I have granddaughters - as long as we can lock our cubicle doors I am happy.

Well, good for you. I don’t want men of any shape or form in toilets or changing rooms with my granddaughters. They get enough unwanted attention, in their early teens, from men and boys already.

Do you not understand that hysterical is an entirely inappropriate adjective to apply to women expressing concerns about safeguarding anywhere, let alone on a feminist discussion board?

Datun · 10/01/2026 08:03

Indianajet · 09/01/2026 18:14

As so many people have quoted me, I feel I should qualify my statement - I am not worried about using toilets that are also used by men, as long as I can lock the door. Our changing cubicles at the Leisure Centre I use are used by men and women- again I am happy as I can lock the door.
I did not give any opinion on transwomen using any other facilities such as open communal changing facilities - I wouldn't use them anyway as I like my privacy from both men and women.
I apologise for using the word hysteria - I am trying to think of another word that wouldn't offend. Fuss? Agitation?
I am sad for anyone who has suffered abuse, but I am not afraid of transwomen using the same toilets I do.

Doubling down on the I'm alright Jack response?

The thing you might not realise, India, is the reason these men want to use your loo is precisely because you are in it.

It is your presence and that of all the other women and girls, consenting or not, who provide the validation. It's not the room or the facilities, It's the presence of the women in them. Your presence.

Hence the reason why third spaces have been rejected out of hand. There's zero validation to be had from a space which any man can use. Only spaces specifically provided for women. It's not about peeing. It's about using women.

See India Willoughby gleefully, publicly and loudly asserting that he walked to the other end of an airport, entirely out of his way, to avoid the gender neutral toilet in favour of the one provided solely for the use of women and girls.

You may not be in the slightest bit bothered about being a public resource for these men. But think twice before you minimise, denigrate or criticise the women and girls who are.

GoldOpenAccess · 09/01/2026 23:53

Indianajet · 09/01/2026 18:14

As so many people have quoted me, I feel I should qualify my statement - I am not worried about using toilets that are also used by men, as long as I can lock the door. Our changing cubicles at the Leisure Centre I use are used by men and women- again I am happy as I can lock the door.
I did not give any opinion on transwomen using any other facilities such as open communal changing facilities - I wouldn't use them anyway as I like my privacy from both men and women.
I apologise for using the word hysteria - I am trying to think of another word that wouldn't offend. Fuss? Agitation?
I am sad for anyone who has suffered abuse, but I am not afraid of transwomen using the same toilets I do.

You've clearly no idea of male sexuality at all.

And no empathy or understanding for your fellow women.

You just don't get it - and that's privilege

JanesLittleGirl · 09/01/2026 22:44

Indianajet · 09/01/2026 18:14

As so many people have quoted me, I feel I should qualify my statement - I am not worried about using toilets that are also used by men, as long as I can lock the door. Our changing cubicles at the Leisure Centre I use are used by men and women- again I am happy as I can lock the door.
I did not give any opinion on transwomen using any other facilities such as open communal changing facilities - I wouldn't use them anyway as I like my privacy from both men and women.
I apologise for using the word hysteria - I am trying to think of another word that wouldn't offend. Fuss? Agitation?
I am sad for anyone who has suffered abuse, but I am not afraid of transwomen using the same toilets I do.

You are clearly a wonderful, caring and sensitive woman. Assuming that you actually know a TiM, why don't you show your willingness to share toilets by taking him by the hand and walking together into the Gents and sitting in the next cubicle to him while you both complete your toilet?

Nah. Didn't think so.

Namelessnelly · 09/01/2026 22:07

Indianajet · 09/01/2026 18:14

As so many people have quoted me, I feel I should qualify my statement - I am not worried about using toilets that are also used by men, as long as I can lock the door. Our changing cubicles at the Leisure Centre I use are used by men and women- again I am happy as I can lock the door.
I did not give any opinion on transwomen using any other facilities such as open communal changing facilities - I wouldn't use them anyway as I like my privacy from both men and women.
I apologise for using the word hysteria - I am trying to think of another word that wouldn't offend. Fuss? Agitation?
I am sad for anyone who has suffered abuse, but I am not afraid of transwomen using the same toilets I do.

That’s awesome so when men with a trans identity claim using gender neutral toilets is “outing” you can be an ally and use those toilets with them, and the women who want single sex toilets can have those and we’re all good right?

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 09/01/2026 20:25

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Helleofabore · 09/01/2026 19:34

Indianajet · 09/01/2026 18:14

As so many people have quoted me, I feel I should qualify my statement - I am not worried about using toilets that are also used by men, as long as I can lock the door. Our changing cubicles at the Leisure Centre I use are used by men and women- again I am happy as I can lock the door.
I did not give any opinion on transwomen using any other facilities such as open communal changing facilities - I wouldn't use them anyway as I like my privacy from both men and women.
I apologise for using the word hysteria - I am trying to think of another word that wouldn't offend. Fuss? Agitation?
I am sad for anyone who has suffered abuse, but I am not afraid of transwomen using the same toilets I do.

"I am sad for anyone who has suffered abuse, but I am not afraid of transwomen using the same toilets I do."

I am sad for anyone who has suffered abuse, but I am not afraid of transwomen using the same toilets I do I have no empathy at all for you.

Does that help?

"Fuss? Agitation?" Yeah... just as bad as hysteria so don't bother. We get the idea.

It comes across as you saying - 'I'm alright, Jack! What do you mean that you are uncomfortable / have a trauma reaction / feel distressed? Just get over it, because I am fine with it...'

I wonder if you realise, that this is how you are coming across. You might not realise it. Otherwise, why did you feel the need to post that you are fine and you cannot understand the 'hysteria / fuss / agitation'?

Not only have women on this thread tried to explain (have you even read the thread?) their reactions to why they cannot use mixed sex toilet spaces, they have also tried to point out that their needs extend beyond a cubicle for many uncontroversial and very very common reasons.

That you, personally, have never had need to use the communal areas of a female single sex toilet before must means you are rather lucky not to have been in the situations that others have. Surely it doesn't take much imagination to understand that other women have needs that you obviously have not even considered and that women are telling you clearly that your limited needs doesn't mean you cannot even acknowledge that your experience is not universal?

5128gap · 09/01/2026 19:00

Indianajet · 09/01/2026 18:14

As so many people have quoted me, I feel I should qualify my statement - I am not worried about using toilets that are also used by men, as long as I can lock the door. Our changing cubicles at the Leisure Centre I use are used by men and women- again I am happy as I can lock the door.
I did not give any opinion on transwomen using any other facilities such as open communal changing facilities - I wouldn't use them anyway as I like my privacy from both men and women.
I apologise for using the word hysteria - I am trying to think of another word that wouldn't offend. Fuss? Agitation?
I am sad for anyone who has suffered abuse, but I am not afraid of transwomen using the same toilets I do.

But do you support other women who are afraid? Or have trauma? Or for whom the privacy from men we until comparatively recently took for granted is important?
You might not be able to understand why they are afraid or distressed or uncomfortable in this context, but you must know what it's like to have those feelings. Do you not want other women to be spared them?

FlirtsWithRhinos · 09/01/2026 18:58

Indianajet · 09/01/2026 18:14

As so many people have quoted me, I feel I should qualify my statement - I am not worried about using toilets that are also used by men, as long as I can lock the door. Our changing cubicles at the Leisure Centre I use are used by men and women- again I am happy as I can lock the door.
I did not give any opinion on transwomen using any other facilities such as open communal changing facilities - I wouldn't use them anyway as I like my privacy from both men and women.
I apologise for using the word hysteria - I am trying to think of another word that wouldn't offend. Fuss? Agitation?
I am sad for anyone who has suffered abuse, but I am not afraid of transwomen using the same toilets I do.

Distress is probably the word you are looking for.

Although in my case, it's anger.

Anger that society has been so quick to strip away the veneer of respect for women as people and fall over itself to agree that of course if a man is all girly-girly, then he's not really a man at all, he's already pretty much practically a women so in with the womdn he goes!

Anger that society places the comfort of sad men over the distress of women, distress that mostly comes from the over sexualisation and under value that society condones for us in the first place.

Anger that while unisex facilities may be nicer for men and apparently preferred by service providers who inexplicably have decided it is easier to redesign and refit buildings than to just say "no" to a handful of entitled men, they are undeniably often dirtier, smellier and far less pleasant places to undo clothing or sit down in, so women's lives are yet again made just that little bit worse for the benefit of men.

You know what I don't understand? Why women value their own voices and their own experiences so little they are prepared to subjugate them to the needs of men who do not perceive us existing as anything more than sexist stereotypes.

AnSolas · 09/01/2026 18:50

Indianajet · 09/01/2026 18:14

As so many people have quoted me, I feel I should qualify my statement - I am not worried about using toilets that are also used by men, as long as I can lock the door. Our changing cubicles at the Leisure Centre I use are used by men and women- again I am happy as I can lock the door.
I did not give any opinion on transwomen using any other facilities such as open communal changing facilities - I wouldn't use them anyway as I like my privacy from both men and women.
I apologise for using the word hysteria - I am trying to think of another word that wouldn't offend. Fuss? Agitation?
I am sad for anyone who has suffered abuse, but I am not afraid of transwomen using the same toilets I do.

Why are you splitting men into two groups?

And
2) if you think that a door is protection in this digital age you should ask youself
2.A) why spy cameras are so cheap and hidable? and
2.B) why "respectable professional" men will risk prison, entry on the sex offenders register and blowing up their cushy lives and being sacked from highpay jobs to get off on collecting sex abuse images of women and children?

[Edit for from 1. 3. to 1. 2. 2A 2B]

Taztoy · 09/01/2026 18:50

Indianajet · 09/01/2026 18:14

As so many people have quoted me, I feel I should qualify my statement - I am not worried about using toilets that are also used by men, as long as I can lock the door. Our changing cubicles at the Leisure Centre I use are used by men and women- again I am happy as I can lock the door.
I did not give any opinion on transwomen using any other facilities such as open communal changing facilities - I wouldn't use them anyway as I like my privacy from both men and women.
I apologise for using the word hysteria - I am trying to think of another word that wouldn't offend. Fuss? Agitation?
I am sad for anyone who has suffered abuse, but I am not afraid of transwomen using the same toilets I do.

I can’t be on one side of a locked door with a man on the other. Due to trauma.

what gives you the right to over ride my consent? Why does a man get to over ride that consent?

I use communal single sex changing rooms at the gym and swimming pool I go to. I wouldn’t go somewhere with mixed sex changing rooms

KitWyn · 09/01/2026 18:40

Indianajet · 09/01/2026 18:14

As so many people have quoted me, I feel I should qualify my statement - I am not worried about using toilets that are also used by men, as long as I can lock the door. Our changing cubicles at the Leisure Centre I use are used by men and women- again I am happy as I can lock the door.
I did not give any opinion on transwomen using any other facilities such as open communal changing facilities - I wouldn't use them anyway as I like my privacy from both men and women.
I apologise for using the word hysteria - I am trying to think of another word that wouldn't offend. Fuss? Agitation?
I am sad for anyone who has suffered abuse, but I am not afraid of transwomen using the same toilets I do.

I think you're talking about unisex single room toilets with a sink in the room, and floor to ceiling lockable doors? So the common configuration for a disabled toilet. A disabled toilet needs to be three times the width of a standard toilet to allow the wheelchair to be comfortably turned around.

These facilities are, of course, fine, and very necessary for people with a disability. But should be in addition to separate communal toilets for Men and Women.

Firstly, unisex single room toilets are very space hungry. Secondly, men do not always dress or zip themselves up fully prior to leaving. Thirdly, they are more likely to be abused for drug use/sex and so unavailable/insanitary. Most importantly, these cannot have the door gaps needed for safety should the toilet user fall ill.

Toilet refits are very expensive. UK businesses are already struggling. Why make such a massive costly change for a small number of people who cannot accept the sex of their own body?

One woman, or even a group of women, cannot consent on behalf of other women and girls to men being in their women-only spaces. It's not how consent works, thankfully.

Also it's the law under the Equality Act 2010. If a public space is labelled or advertised as being women or female only, then all men - including transwomen - must stay out. Their sex is, and always will be, male so these spaces are not for them.

Hicupping · 09/01/2026 18:40

Indianajet · 09/01/2026 18:14

As so many people have quoted me, I feel I should qualify my statement - I am not worried about using toilets that are also used by men, as long as I can lock the door. Our changing cubicles at the Leisure Centre I use are used by men and women- again I am happy as I can lock the door.
I did not give any opinion on transwomen using any other facilities such as open communal changing facilities - I wouldn't use them anyway as I like my privacy from both men and women.
I apologise for using the word hysteria - I am trying to think of another word that wouldn't offend. Fuss? Agitation?
I am sad for anyone who has suffered abuse, but I am not afraid of transwomen using the same toilets I do.

Yet we have people like Katie, we have all the many voyeurs recording women and children in Primark when they had unisex changing rooms, we know places do sweeps of toilet facilities for hidden cams, we know sexual assult is far higher when changing rooms are unisex and we know that cubicles are not protection for above because you've still got to get to them and use the other facilities such as shower and wash basins. Despite knowing all this you're still happy because you like your privacy and opt out of these spaces. You shouldn't have to opt out. Those spaces should be safe private spaces you can use.

ProfessorBinturong · 09/01/2026 18:38

as long as I can lock the door. Our changing cubicles at the Leisure Centre I use are used by men and women- again I am happy as I can lock the door.

@Indianajet did you see the post informing you that for safety reasons public toilet and changing cubicle doors can be used locked from the outside.

So you can't lock the door. Still happy?

JellySaurus · 09/01/2026 18:35

Indianajet · 09/01/2026 18:14

As so many people have quoted me, I feel I should qualify my statement - I am not worried about using toilets that are also used by men, as long as I can lock the door. Our changing cubicles at the Leisure Centre I use are used by men and women- again I am happy as I can lock the door.
I did not give any opinion on transwomen using any other facilities such as open communal changing facilities - I wouldn't use them anyway as I like my privacy from both men and women.
I apologise for using the word hysteria - I am trying to think of another word that wouldn't offend. Fuss? Agitation?
I am sad for anyone who has suffered abuse, but I am not afraid of transwomen using the same toilets I do.

So you’re happy to lock yourself into a cubicle with a hidden camera that a man has planted, and let him record you peeing. Because it’s men who plant secret cameras in women’s toilets. Nobody wants to keep trans-identifying men out of women’s spaces because of their appropriation of womanhood, but because they are men. Men plant cameras, get sexual thrills from listening to women peeing, rummage through sanitary bins to take bloody pads, terrorise and assault women. Men, not frocks, not self-images, not feelings. Men.

Seethlaw · 09/01/2026 18:32

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 09/01/2026 18:16

But do you now see that your consent to share a toilet space with a trans-identifying man is not transferable? You do not get to consent for any other women - do you see that?

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The sad thing is, I'm not even sure that women like @Indianajet even see this as a matter of consent. I'm not sure they realise that they have a right to consent or not consent in the first place. It's all, "Nothing happened to me or mine, I'm not scared, so I have no valid reason to object." The idea that they can object for other reasons than a strong fearful emotion doesn't seem to be there at all. Which is a terrifying testament as to the kind of insidious misogyny they are living under.

spannasaurus · 09/01/2026 18:30

Indianajet · 09/01/2026 18:14

As so many people have quoted me, I feel I should qualify my statement - I am not worried about using toilets that are also used by men, as long as I can lock the door. Our changing cubicles at the Leisure Centre I use are used by men and women- again I am happy as I can lock the door.
I did not give any opinion on transwomen using any other facilities such as open communal changing facilities - I wouldn't use them anyway as I like my privacy from both men and women.
I apologise for using the word hysteria - I am trying to think of another word that wouldn't offend. Fuss? Agitation?
I am sad for anyone who has suffered abuse, but I am not afraid of transwomen using the same toilets I do.

Would you be happy with a man in the next cubicle masturbating as long as the cubicle has a lock?

Greyskybluesky · 09/01/2026 18:28

Indianajet · 09/01/2026 18:14

As so many people have quoted me, I feel I should qualify my statement - I am not worried about using toilets that are also used by men, as long as I can lock the door. Our changing cubicles at the Leisure Centre I use are used by men and women- again I am happy as I can lock the door.
I did not give any opinion on transwomen using any other facilities such as open communal changing facilities - I wouldn't use them anyway as I like my privacy from both men and women.
I apologise for using the word hysteria - I am trying to think of another word that wouldn't offend. Fuss? Agitation?
I am sad for anyone who has suffered abuse, but I am not afraid of transwomen using the same toilets I do.

Concern? Indignation? Rage? Disbelief?

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 09/01/2026 18:16

Indianajet · 09/01/2026 18:14

As so many people have quoted me, I feel I should qualify my statement - I am not worried about using toilets that are also used by men, as long as I can lock the door. Our changing cubicles at the Leisure Centre I use are used by men and women- again I am happy as I can lock the door.
I did not give any opinion on transwomen using any other facilities such as open communal changing facilities - I wouldn't use them anyway as I like my privacy from both men and women.
I apologise for using the word hysteria - I am trying to think of another word that wouldn't offend. Fuss? Agitation?
I am sad for anyone who has suffered abuse, but I am not afraid of transwomen using the same toilets I do.

But do you now see that your consent to share a toilet space with a trans-identifying man is not transferable? You do not get to consent for any other women - do you see that?

Indianajet · 09/01/2026 18:14

As so many people have quoted me, I feel I should qualify my statement - I am not worried about using toilets that are also used by men, as long as I can lock the door. Our changing cubicles at the Leisure Centre I use are used by men and women- again I am happy as I can lock the door.
I did not give any opinion on transwomen using any other facilities such as open communal changing facilities - I wouldn't use them anyway as I like my privacy from both men and women.
I apologise for using the word hysteria - I am trying to think of another word that wouldn't offend. Fuss? Agitation?
I am sad for anyone who has suffered abuse, but I am not afraid of transwomen using the same toilets I do.

Hicupping · 09/01/2026 18:13

Talking about cubicles this was trending this week on twitter link below at planet fitness. Man claiming to be trans pleasuring himself in a cubicle, you only see the shadow so it's not gratuitous but it's very obvious. There's a whole long thread of posts on twitter of them which is a lot more explicit than this which I won't share. No respect for decency or boundaries or their impact on others. https://x.com/ImMeme0/status/2008009429807989054 Doesn't matter if it's worksplace, nightclub or anywhere, there has to be either allow all men or none in because with self ID that's exactly what it is, all men.