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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/01/2026 16:35

ArabellaSaurus · 11/01/2026 16:29

One things for certain Reform couldn't do a worse job than the current parties are doing

If one thing's for certain, it's that there's always room for worsening outcomes.

Especially if you continue down the same road that has given shit results so far.

ArabellaSaurus · 11/01/2026 16:29

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/01/2026 15:11

So, if there's one thing evident in this country the 'historical' way of doing things are destroying the country, maybe it's time for something new, it is the 21st Century after all. One things for certain Reform couldn't do a worse job than the current parties are doing.

I'd like them to do well in Wales, not necessarily win the Senedd but win enough seats to hold the main stream parties to account for the incredibly bad job they've done for the past 25 years.

Edited

One things for certain Reform couldn't do a worse job than the current parties are doing

If one thing's for certain, it's that there's always room for worsening outcomes.

1984Now · 11/01/2026 16:01

SerendipityJane · 11/01/2026 15:50

Handy.

"Bungling shit show" could be the UKs epitaph on current trajectory.

SerendipityJane · 11/01/2026 15:50

UtopiaPlanitia · 11/01/2026 15:49

To be fair, county councils are often a bungling shit show whoever runs them - they're not a good direct analogy for what happens at Westminister.

Handy.

UtopiaPlanitia · 11/01/2026 15:49

SerendipityJane · 11/01/2026 15:36

You mean it would be unfair to draw any conclusions from

Derbyshire County Council,
Doncaster City Council,
Durham County Counci,
Kent County Council,
Lancashire County Council,
Lincolnshire County Council,
North Northamptonshire Council,
Nottinghamshire County Council,
Staffordshire County Council,
West Northamptonshire

All of which are run by Reform.

To be fair, county councils are often a bungling shit show whoever runs them - they're not a good direct analogy for what happens at Westminister.

1984Now · 11/01/2026 15:42

SerendipityJane · 11/01/2026 15:36

You mean it would be unfair to draw any conclusions from

Derbyshire County Council,
Doncaster City Council,
Durham County Counci,
Kent County Council,
Lancashire County Council,
Lincolnshire County Council,
North Northamptonshire Council,
Nottinghamshire County Council,
Staffordshire County Council,
West Northamptonshire

All of which are run by Reform.

Local councils never had the scope for radical cuts, what with national govt starving them of central finding, escalating SEND costs.
Farage was a typical politician, promising the Earth and the reality being "crash to Earth".
Central govt is different. The state is jammed, and radical intervention is needed.
Here, Reform can be the push that's needed.
If it works, Council Tax bills in future could go up less, or certainly provide better services for the same cost.
Ironically, Reform stumbling in not reducing bills to residents could motivate voters to push the button for Farage in 2029.

SerendipityJane · 11/01/2026 15:36

The party aka Nigel's Plaything will have to "democratise" ahead of the GE.

Why ? Nobody claiming to vote for it gives two hoots.

SerendipityJane · 11/01/2026 15:36

moto748e · 11/01/2026 15:31

I think the truth is, we have little idea what a Reform adminstration would be like. A lot depends on how many non-looney sensible people they manage to recruit. My biggest concern is perhaps Farage's "51st State" dreams.

You mean it would be unfair to draw any conclusions from

Derbyshire County Council,
Doncaster City Council,
Durham County Counci,
Kent County Council,
Lancashire County Council,
Lincolnshire County Council,
North Northamptonshire Council,
Nottinghamshire County Council,
Staffordshire County Council,
West Northamptonshire

All of which are run by Reform.

moto748e · 11/01/2026 15:31

I think the truth is, we have little idea what a Reform adminstration would be like. A lot depends on how many non-looney sensible people they manage to recruit. My biggest concern is perhaps Farage's "51st State" dreams.

1984Now · 11/01/2026 15:27

SerendipityJane · 11/01/2026 15:16

So allowing the country to be run by private companies is progress ?

I guess it would be just an admission of how it really is anyway.

I suspect I speak for quite a few Reform Agnostics or Reform Adjacents. The party aka Nigel's Plaything will have to "democratise" ahead of the GE. Many will not vote for a party where the leader/PM can't be turfed out.
Have no issue with interesting new ways of doing things (Farage parachuting experts and leaders in their field into the Lords, and then helicoptered into senior Cabinet posts...I'd rather have a Lady Birbalsingh as Education Secretary even if not an MP than the duly elected but frankly execrable Phillipson).
Farage has hinted he'd run the UK as a business, with an expanded Office Of The Prime Minister, the PM as a kind of CEO, and a board of experts at Chancellor, Education, Trade, Energy, Farming etc.
And a Grand Restoration to overturn the HRA, GRA and EqA.
Buckle up...

Waitwhat23 · 11/01/2026 15:20

BrokenSunflowers · 11/01/2026 12:34

The SNP has been a top down institution for years. The MSPs all pledge not to contradict the leadership and only vote with the party. They are profoundly undemocratic.

And if any SNP MSP's do have the courage to vote with their own free will and/or actually represent the views of their constituents, they are punished. See - the 9 SNP GRR rebels. Scottish Labour are bad for this too - Claire Baker and Carol Mochan were punished for voting against the GRR whip.

SerendipityJane · 11/01/2026 15:16

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/01/2026 15:11

So, if there's one thing evident in this country the 'historical' way of doing things are destroying the country, maybe it's time for something new, it is the 21st Century after all. One things for certain Reform couldn't do a worse job than the current parties are doing.

I'd like them to do well in Wales, not necessarily win the Senedd but win enough seats to hold the main stream parties to account for the incredibly bad job they've done for the past 25 years.

Edited

So allowing the country to be run by private companies is progress ?

I guess it would be just an admission of how it really is anyway.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/01/2026 15:11

SerendipityJane · 11/01/2026 13:47

Reform is a limited company (not a political party in the historical sense) solely owned by Nigel Farage.

So, if there's one thing evident in this country the 'historical' way of doing things are destroying the country, maybe it's time for something new, it is the 21st Century after all. One things for certain Reform couldn't do a worse job than the current parties are doing.

I'd like them to do well in Wales, not necessarily win the Senedd but win enough seats to hold the main stream parties to account for the incredibly bad job they've done for the past 25 years.

SerendipityJane · 11/01/2026 14:02

1984Now · 11/01/2026 13:54

You're taking me too literally. I'm talking about a rigid top down structure. Not the legal details. Yes, re being a PLC, Reform are unique.
One correction, Farage doesn't own 100% of Reform shares, I believe split with Zia Yousuf and a third (?) individual? Richard Tice?

Edited

Reform are not a PLC - they are a private company. You'd need public oversight and scrutiny for a PLC and that does not suit the way of Nigel one tiny bit.

1984Now · 11/01/2026 13:54

SerendipityJane · 11/01/2026 13:47

Reform is a limited company (not a political party in the historical sense) solely owned by Nigel Farage.

You're taking me too literally. I'm talking about a rigid top down structure. Not the legal details. Yes, re being a PLC, Reform are unique.
One correction, Farage doesn't own 100% of Reform shares, I believe split with Zia Yousuf and a third (?) individual? Richard Tice?

SerendipityJane · 11/01/2026 13:47

1984Now · 11/01/2026 12:36

Not so different from Reform?

Reform is a limited company (not a political party in the historical sense) solely owned by Nigel Farage.

BrokenSunflowers · 11/01/2026 13:44

The difference is, the SNP with the Greens never needed to worry if their legislation would pass - the votes were guaranteed. It has been in many ways an elected dictatorship. Reform and Tories won’t have that luxury. Reform in particular, will have to win over all their MSPs for every piece of legislation.

1984Now · 11/01/2026 13:13

BrokenSunflowers · 11/01/2026 13:01

No, I would say they are very different. The both dictate policy from the top but when it comes to voting - Reform have already lost two of their MPs. The SNP always presented a block vote where MPs and MSP didn’t even have to engage with the topic, let alone constituency concerns, and just followed party directions. I strongly suspect Farage will find directing his party will be like herding cats. His candidates are rebels rather than conformists.

Oh, very different in temprament. I meant more the top down heirarchical structure. I very much look forward to Reform breakthru in Scotland and going on to establish themselves as the proper opposition to the SNP. In any normal situation, the gravitational laws of politics would normally have meant that years of abject failure in Scotland would mean the SNP suffering the same fate as the Tories.
But being "not Tories or Labour" gives the SNP the same cover that Farage currently gets as the "anti uniparty choice", and having a fractured opposition gives the SNP the electoral advantage that Farage will get in 2029 as the 50% left vote splits over 4-6 parties, and Tories tacking to Reform for 2029 means they will potentially be of use to Farage as the Scottish Greens were to Sturgeon prior to Isla Bryson/Self ID ignominy.
The similarities are striking.

BrokenSunflowers · 11/01/2026 13:01

1984Now · 11/01/2026 12:36

Not so different from Reform?

No, I would say they are very different. The both dictate policy from the top but when it comes to voting - Reform have already lost two of their MPs. The SNP always presented a block vote where MPs and MSP didn’t even have to engage with the topic, let alone constituency concerns, and just followed party directions. I strongly suspect Farage will find directing his party will be like herding cats. His candidates are rebels rather than conformists.

Igneococcus · 11/01/2026 12:41

SwirlyGates · 11/01/2026 11:26

My GP practice used to not fill my repeat prescription every so often because I needed updated blood pressure tests. Did they tell me this? No. They would just not do it and leave me to chase the pharmacy, chase the GP practice - and because it would sometimes get missed anyway (or even get sent to some other, random pharmacy!). I wouldn't always know it was because of the blood pressure issue. Eventually I asked the GP practice why they didn't just contact me about the blood pressure. Response - "We don't have your permission to use your phone number." Unbelievable! What's it there for then, just to look pretty on the form?

Our pharmacy (within the surgery) is pretty good and we now have the option to pick up prescriptions from a wee machine in the wall (like an ATM machine, so useful not having to get there before they close) and you really have to check everything is there and then ring the next day to ask why something is missing.
Our GP and pharmacy provisions are actually pretty good so far it's just when you need something a bit more complicated it will involve travel and things fall apart.

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1984Now · 11/01/2026 12:36

BrokenSunflowers · 11/01/2026 12:34

The SNP has been a top down institution for years. The MSPs all pledge not to contradict the leadership and only vote with the party. They are profoundly undemocratic.

Not so different from Reform?

BrokenSunflowers · 11/01/2026 12:34

The SNP has been a top down institution for years. The MSPs all pledge not to contradict the leadership and only vote with the party. They are profoundly undemocratic.

Igneococcus · 11/01/2026 12:31

SwirlyGates · 11/01/2026 11:33

It's known that in opinion polls left-wing parties do better than they will in the elections, and right-wing parties do worse in polls than in elections. See also the independence vote, where it was predicted to be a close thing, and in the event there was a decent majority in favour of the NO vote. Presumably this will mean that Reform will do better in elections than they do in the polls, and SNP and Green will do worse. Not that I am rejoicing at the prospect of Reform getting seats.

I know that polls have a left wing bias but it's quite a big gap in A&B. 37% to 23.3 for the next (LibDem), Reform third with ~21 but according to this site Labour won't get any votes at all, so who knows.
One of the local SNP councillors recently left the SNP saying the party pays no attention to their members.

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1984Now · 11/01/2026 11:49

SwirlyGates · 11/01/2026 11:33

It's known that in opinion polls left-wing parties do better than they will in the elections, and right-wing parties do worse in polls than in elections. See also the independence vote, where it was predicted to be a close thing, and in the event there was a decent majority in favour of the NO vote. Presumably this will mean that Reform will do better in elections than they do in the polls, and SNP and Green will do worse. Not that I am rejoicing at the prospect of Reform getting seats.

Well, we've seen what an SNP backed up by the Scottish Greens means for Scots.
God speed to Malcolm Offord and Reform at the polls.
Time for Scottish voters who've had no voice up until now to really start to be heard.

SwirlyGates · 11/01/2026 11:33

Igneococcus · 11/01/2026 08:33

Yes, Reform could possibly do it. I have no idea how that would play out for Scotland. A&B is predicted to go to the SNP, it's not even tight.

It's known that in opinion polls left-wing parties do better than they will in the elections, and right-wing parties do worse in polls than in elections. See also the independence vote, where it was predicted to be a close thing, and in the event there was a decent majority in favour of the NO vote. Presumably this will mean that Reform will do better in elections than they do in the polls, and SNP and Green will do worse. Not that I am rejoicing at the prospect of Reform getting seats.