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HildegardP · 11/01/2026 21:53

BrokenSunflowers · 11/01/2026 18:18

X is inconvenient for mainstream media and Davey/Polanski/Starmer as they have been unable to censor it. The desire to ban X has absolutely nothing to do with people trying to manipulate Grok’s AI to produce sexualised images - if it were they would be talking of legislating against ALL AI generated porn and porn more generally. The reason they want to censor X is the threat of Reform.

X is a small platform compared to other SM y'know. Meta could heamorrhage users from now to the next GE & still be streets ahead of X & all the rest of the competition. Its salience is overstated due to the fact that under the previous management it functioned like a Slack channel for the entire media, & journalists are still studding articles with quotes from X as a matter of habit. Also, because it's small, it's an easy target for politicians too frit to act against Zuckerberg.

Edited for dyslexia, some may remain.

1984Now · 11/01/2026 21:51

HildegardP · 11/01/2026 21:43

May I suggest a Private Eye subscription? Unlike much of the media, they pay attention to what Reform are doing when in power & yes, hard though it may be to conceive, they're doing splendidly at doing worse.

What? The Eye that has ignored the trans insanity in the last decade?
Less satire, more establishment mouthpiece.

HildegardP · 11/01/2026 21:43

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/01/2026 15:11

So, if there's one thing evident in this country the 'historical' way of doing things are destroying the country, maybe it's time for something new, it is the 21st Century after all. One things for certain Reform couldn't do a worse job than the current parties are doing.

I'd like them to do well in Wales, not necessarily win the Senedd but win enough seats to hold the main stream parties to account for the incredibly bad job they've done for the past 25 years.

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May I suggest a Private Eye subscription? Unlike much of the media, they pay attention to what Reform are doing when in power & yes, hard though it may be to conceive, they're doing splendidly at doing worse.

HildegardP · 11/01/2026 21:41

BrokenSunflowers · 11/01/2026 13:01

No, I would say they are very different. The both dictate policy from the top but when it comes to voting - Reform have already lost two of their MPs. The SNP always presented a block vote where MPs and MSP didn’t even have to engage with the topic, let alone constituency concerns, and just followed party directions. I strongly suspect Farage will find directing his party will be like herding cats. His candidates are rebels rather than conformists.

Two MPs & as of the Christmas issue of Private Eye, 41 councilors. Perhaps more by now.

Hoardasurass · 11/01/2026 20:55

BrokenSunflowers · 11/01/2026 17:25

And absolutely allergic to a foreign national like Musk trash talking their beloved UK, especially one allowing pornified AI slop on his platform.
If Davey and Polanski successfully make this a wedge issue

Have Dave’s and Polanski talked about banning pornography? Porn Hub? Only Fans? The other 35,000 AI porn generating platforms? Snap Chat and Meta which are used in nearly three quarters of child grooming cases? Have they even committed to saying that men must not be allowed in female changing rooms?

Ofcourse not, that would involve doing something that actually benefits women (the old fashioned type) and children.

BrokenSunflowers · 11/01/2026 19:26

The Party that loses the most from Reform is the Tories.

1984Now · 11/01/2026 19:20

TomPinch · 11/01/2026 19:12

Reform (and the Greens) face one massive problem though: incumbency advantage. Neither party have many MPs at all whereas Labour and the Conservatives have lots. People know the incumbent and unless they're very unpopular this gives them a starting advantage. Where there are two potential rival options, the support of one (ie not the incumbent) is going to get squeezed, especially if there's an anti-Reform vote. There's so much information on the Internet now so it's easier to vote tactically. There was loads of this at the last election.

Take for example Walsall and Bloxwich, won by Valerie Vaz of Labour on 33% of the vote. Other candidates were Ind 20%, Reform 19%, Conservative 18%, Green 6% and Lib Dem 2%. The electionsuk forecast is 'safe Reform'. You would expect Reform to scoop the Tory 2024 vote. But you'd also expect the Green vote and perhaps the independent vote to take fright and switch to Vaz to keep Reform out.

Or South Suffolk, also predicted Reform, at the last election Con 33% Lab 27% Reform 19% Lib Dem 13% Greens 8%. Unless the sitting Tory MP is hopeless he'll at least be familiar and to win the seat Reform have to take his vote. You could even have a split vote on the right and Labour taking the seat.

There were also a lot of stay-at-homes at the last election. Possibly they could turn out next time for Reform but I bet they won't.

There's a very long way to go until the next general election and it would only take a modest recovery in Labour and Tory support to result in a Parliament just like the current one.

I don't disagree with you at all. Other than 1688, we don't do revolutionary change like the French. It may be that 2029 turns out like any other GE, a Tory or Labour result, perking up or down for LDs, SNP a show in, Farage/Polanski/Corbyn Sultana as also rans.
The nearest thing to a quiet revolution here was Brexit, Farage may really need that level of turnout, and a real imperative to put to the voters, to pull off a commensurate overturning of the odds.

TomPinch · 11/01/2026 19:12

1984Now · 11/01/2026 09:22

Every failed party in Britain is or will be rewarded with losing power. The Tories, next, Labour. But this won't ever remotely threaten the SNP.
I could actually see Reform winning on the vote share the SNP does, and because of a 6 way atomised vote, Farage and his crew stay in power even if Reform fails.
Reform becomes the defacto. ENP (English National Party).
The main party in England so by extension the perma-majority party.in govt, and the main party/opposition in Wales/Scotland.

Reform (and the Greens) face one massive problem though: incumbency advantage. Neither party have many MPs at all whereas Labour and the Conservatives have lots. People know the incumbent and unless they're very unpopular this gives them a starting advantage. Where there are two potential rival options, the support of one (ie not the incumbent) is going to get squeezed, especially if there's an anti-Reform vote. There's so much information on the Internet now so it's easier to vote tactically. There was loads of this at the last election.

Take for example Walsall and Bloxwich, won by Valerie Vaz of Labour on 33% of the vote. Other candidates were Ind 20%, Reform 19%, Conservative 18%, Green 6% and Lib Dem 2%. The electionsuk forecast is 'safe Reform'. You would expect Reform to scoop the Tory 2024 vote. But you'd also expect the Green vote and perhaps the independent vote to take fright and switch to Vaz to keep Reform out.

Or South Suffolk, also predicted Reform, at the last election Con 33% Lab 27% Reform 19% Lib Dem 13% Greens 8%. Unless the sitting Tory MP is hopeless he'll at least be familiar and to win the seat Reform have to take his vote. You could even have a split vote on the right and Labour taking the seat.

There were also a lot of stay-at-homes at the last election. Possibly they could turn out next time for Reform but I bet they won't.

There's a very long way to go until the next general election and it would only take a modest recovery in Labour and Tory support to result in a Parliament just like the current one.

1984Now · 11/01/2026 18:23

BrokenSunflowers · 11/01/2026 18:18

X is inconvenient for mainstream media and Davey/Polanski/Starmer as they have been unable to censor it. The desire to ban X has absolutely nothing to do with people trying to manipulate Grok’s AI to produce sexualised images - if it were they would be talking of legislating against ALL AI generated porn and porn more generally. The reason they want to censor X is the threat of Reform.

Yes, but isn't Grok wired into X? Ie it's the "house" AI, and thus 100% under Musk's control?

moto748e · 11/01/2026 18:21

There doesn't have to be just one reason.

BrokenSunflowers · 11/01/2026 18:18

1984Now · 11/01/2026 17:38

Not in any way. But it's the salience of phenomena which drives the news. That's why Grok porn on X scores way higher visibility than Davey Polanski having no thoughts on porn, no issues with pornified men in women's spaces. Indeed, I think the media will give them a totally free ride on so many faulty positions and opinions.
Otoh, Davey Polanski could very easily make this Grok AI porn slop thing a genuine wedge for Farage, because the salience in this media atomised age is so striking.
Look at Partygate and Johnson, this sin took over above all other sins he was guilty of to eventually bury him.
Salience and visibility.
If Farage is to be derailed, it'll be unintended consequences of fallout from actions of Trump until 2028, that Farage's bromance with The Donald will inevitably tie him to, and maybe burn him down.

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X is inconvenient for mainstream media and Davey/Polanski/Starmer as they have been unable to censor it. The desire to ban X has absolutely nothing to do with people trying to manipulate Grok’s AI to produce sexualised images - if it were they would be talking of legislating against ALL AI generated porn and porn more generally. The reason they want to censor X is the threat of Reform.

1984Now · 11/01/2026 17:38

BrokenSunflowers · 11/01/2026 17:25

And absolutely allergic to a foreign national like Musk trash talking their beloved UK, especially one allowing pornified AI slop on his platform.
If Davey and Polanski successfully make this a wedge issue

Have Dave’s and Polanski talked about banning pornography? Porn Hub? Only Fans? The other 35,000 AI porn generating platforms? Snap Chat and Meta which are used in nearly three quarters of child grooming cases? Have they even committed to saying that men must not be allowed in female changing rooms?

Not in any way. But it's the salience of phenomena which drives the news. That's why Grok porn on X scores way higher visibility than Davey Polanski having no thoughts on porn, no issues with pornified men in women's spaces. Indeed, I think the media will give them a totally free ride on so many faulty positions and opinions.
Otoh, Davey Polanski could very easily make this Grok AI porn slop thing a genuine wedge for Farage, because the salience in this media atomised age is so striking.
Look at Partygate and Johnson, this sin took over above all other sins he was guilty of to eventually bury him.
Salience and visibility.
If Farage is to be derailed, it'll be unintended consequences of fallout from actions of Trump until 2028, that Farage's bromance with The Donald will inevitably tie him to, and maybe burn him down.

SerendipityJane · 11/01/2026 17:31

Trump acts in America’s best interest,

Thanks for pointing that out. I was beginning to wonder.

BrokenSunflowers · 11/01/2026 17:25

And absolutely allergic to a foreign national like Musk trash talking their beloved UK, especially one allowing pornified AI slop on his platform.
If Davey and Polanski successfully make this a wedge issue

Have Dave’s and Polanski talked about banning pornography? Porn Hub? Only Fans? The other 35,000 AI porn generating platforms? Snap Chat and Meta which are used in nearly three quarters of child grooming cases? Have they even committed to saying that men must not be allowed in female changing rooms?

1984Now · 11/01/2026 17:21

ArabellaSaurus · 11/01/2026 17:18

'Different' does not necessarily mean 'better'.

If Trump Musk doesn't upend Farage's bid, I think you'll find a landslide prepared to risk "different".

BrokenSunflowers · 11/01/2026 17:20

1984Now · 11/01/2026 17:04

I genuinely see Farage losing the next GE because of the Trump/Musk hand grenade in British politics.
Forget trying to catch Farage out over alleged racist schooldays, or associations with convicted treasonous Gill. None of that will stick, Farage has always been a cheeky chappy/bad boy shtick.
But his closeness to Trump and somewhat Musk may really come back to haunt him, and here we have all the receipts, no plausible deniability possible from Farage.
Polls show up to half of Reform supporters don't support Trump, dislike Musk, don't approve of ICE, Trump's actions in Venezuela and especially Ukraine etc.
And absolutely allergic to a foreign national like Musk trash talking their beloved UK, especially one allowing pornified AI slop on his platform.
If Davey and Polanski successfully make this a wedge issue, especially once Greenland annexation happens, then I can see major turquoise sky opening up between what you might call liberal LD/Green patriots, likely Labour on board versus 51st State Farage.
As tactical voting then ramps up at the GE, we see a genuinely polarized campaign, and for first time Farage at a PR disadvantage.
Result? A slim Labour majority or left rainbow coalition propping up a minority Starmer result.

Trump acts in America’s best interest, not ours, as he is the president of USA not the UK. However, I would certainly be looking for a PM who can maintain good relations with such a powerful individual. I have not seen any evidence that Reform are against immigration and customs enforcement?

ArabellaSaurus · 11/01/2026 17:18

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/01/2026 16:35

Especially if you continue down the same road that has given shit results so far.

'Different' does not necessarily mean 'better'.

1984Now · 11/01/2026 17:15

SerendipityJane · 11/01/2026 17:08

Let's see. I'm predicting that whatever is touted in the press, looking at the small print will show Reform is all Nigel and there is no way to remove him from the party architecture. Underscoring the simple single message. Vote Reform:Get Nigel.

I'm not voting for a Governor General.
I wished I'd kept it, but there was a fantastic early AI type CGI of a Governor General Boris Johnson, aged about 90, looking flabby and pustulent, his blonde mane now an awful combover, broadcasting to the nation in 2050.
Brexit was almost done, the 30th lockdown for COVID was coming to an end, and he welcomed the fact that 100% of births were to illegal migrants.
Britain was in the cusp of being Great again.
Maybe Farage will be the one to become a permanent Governor General...

SerendipityJane · 11/01/2026 17:08

1984Now · 11/01/2026 17:05

Reform has to revert to a democratic party before the GE, no chance I vote for it otherwise, and I'm very open to supporting the party

Let's see. I'm predicting that whatever is touted in the press, looking at the small print will show Reform is all Nigel and there is no way to remove him from the party architecture. Underscoring the simple single message. Vote Reform:Get Nigel.

1984Now · 11/01/2026 17:05

BrokenSunflowers · 11/01/2026 16:56

Voters had the example of Wales and numerous councils to see how badly Labour would run things but voted Labour anyway…

On a practical level, I can understand why you might want to start a new political party as a private company. Small organisations are too vulnerable to entryism which could completely destroy your purpose. Had reform been member-run to begin with there could have been a systematic attempt to change and destroy from within. Even larger parties have that risk - see Labour and Momentum. But given the size they now are it is difficult to continue justifying that approach over a hard-bound constitution.

Reform has to revert to a democratic party before the GE, no chance I vote for it otherwise, and I'm very open to supporting the party

1984Now · 11/01/2026 17:04

I genuinely see Farage losing the next GE because of the Trump/Musk hand grenade in British politics.
Forget trying to catch Farage out over alleged racist schooldays, or associations with convicted treasonous Gill. None of that will stick, Farage has always been a cheeky chappy/bad boy shtick.
But his closeness to Trump and somewhat Musk may really come back to haunt him, and here we have all the receipts, no plausible deniability possible from Farage.
Polls show up to half of Reform supporters don't support Trump, dislike Musk, don't approve of ICE, Trump's actions in Venezuela and especially Ukraine etc.
And absolutely allergic to a foreign national like Musk trash talking their beloved UK, especially one allowing pornified AI slop on his platform.
If Davey and Polanski successfully make this a wedge issue, especially once Greenland annexation happens, then I can see major turquoise sky opening up between what you might call liberal LD/Green patriots, likely Labour on board versus 51st State Farage.
As tactical voting then ramps up at the GE, we see a genuinely polarized campaign, and for first time Farage at a PR disadvantage.
Result? A slim Labour majority or left rainbow coalition propping up a minority Starmer result.

BrokenSunflowers · 11/01/2026 17:01

moto748e · 11/01/2026 16:46

Agreed, but I think fawning over Trump takes it to another level.

Does it? Or is it that Trump is portrayed as such a bogey man, so that the BBC can manipulate his speech and left-winger will say it is ok, that any degree of reasonable relations with the elected president of the most powerful country is considered obsequious?

BrokenSunflowers · 11/01/2026 16:56

Voters had the example of Wales and numerous councils to see how badly Labour would run things but voted Labour anyway…

On a practical level, I can understand why you might want to start a new political party as a private company. Small organisations are too vulnerable to entryism which could completely destroy your purpose. Had reform been member-run to begin with there could have been a systematic attempt to change and destroy from within. Even larger parties have that risk - see Labour and Momentum. But given the size they now are it is difficult to continue justifying that approach over a hard-bound constitution.

moto748e · 11/01/2026 16:46

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/01/2026 16:39

He's not the only one, our political classes have been fawning over the USA for decades, it was especially embarrassing in the Blair/Brown years.

Agreed, but I think fawning over Trump takes it to another level.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/01/2026 16:39

moto748e · 11/01/2026 15:31

I think the truth is, we have little idea what a Reform adminstration would be like. A lot depends on how many non-looney sensible people they manage to recruit. My biggest concern is perhaps Farage's "51st State" dreams.

He's not the only one, our political classes have been fawning over the USA for decades, it was especially embarrassing in the Blair/Brown years.

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