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RhannionKPSS · 20/01/2026 21:59

How on earth can any sensible woman, or man, for that matter vote for the SNP is completely beyond my comprehension

BrokenSunflowers · 20/01/2026 21:56

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 20/01/2026 21:40

But what about the women that might commit suicide if they’re incarcerated with male rapists?

Will they are obviously emotionally abusive bigots silly.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 20/01/2026 21:56

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JanesLittleGirl · 20/01/2026 21:50

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 20/01/2026 21:37

It is weird that a government is going to such lengths for criminals, typically governments are happy to lock people up and forget about them, I've never known a government to go to bat for poor 'marginalised' criminals. 🤯

Does it have anything to do with the strategy that has been mention, if the genderwangers can win in the prisons they can win everywhere, is that why the SNP are going to such great lengths, is it win all or lose all time. 🤔

Edited

SG has a very obvious hierarchy. Sadly, incarcerated women are at the absolute bottom.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 20/01/2026 21:40

SwirlyGates · 20/01/2026 19:36

Well of course. When all else fails, use emotional blackmail and threaten suicide.

But what about the women that might commit suicide if they’re incarcerated with male rapists?

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 20/01/2026 21:37

It is weird that a government is going to such lengths for criminals, typically governments are happy to lock people up and forget about them, I've never known a government to go to bat for poor 'marginalised' criminals. 🤯

Does it have anything to do with the strategy that has been mention, if the genderwangers can win in the prisons they can win everywhere, is that why the SNP are going to such great lengths, is it win all or lose all time. 🤔

Hoardasurass · 20/01/2026 21:27

I noticed that in all their talk about trans rights they completely ignore womens rights. They talk about torture and cruel and unusual punishment towards the men if they're not allowed into womens jails but forget that the haig consider mixed sex prison a war crime and a crime against humanity.
I'm so angry at the complete disregard of women as anything other than a validation prop for men

ArabellaSaurus · 20/01/2026 21:15

’male rapists may commit suicide if they don’t get to rape women’

And the SNP will die on this hill.

WearyAuldWumman · 20/01/2026 21:05

BrokenSunflowers · 20/01/2026 19:40

’male rapists may commit suicide if they don’t get to rape women’

I'm just waiting for them to blame Andrew Burns' demise on his failure to gain access to the women's estate. (No details of the cause of death have been published, so far as I'm aware.)

1984Now · 20/01/2026 20:59

IwantToRetire · 20/01/2026 20:32

ECHR means trans prisoners can’t be banned from women’s jails, claims SNP
https://archive.is/Ndw1W

Fury as SNP ministers liken trans prisoners in female jails to ‘mums taking young sons into ladies’ changing rooms’
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/15825053/trans-prisoners-female-jails-mums-sons-ladies-snp/

(sorry if links already posted)

Initially I thought the left in govt sinking political capital wholesale into trans rights was an example of the long march thru the institutions, then I fell more for the theory of Captain Cock Up (literally true when it comes to AGPs in women's spaces), then the idea that TRA is a neo religion and caste structure.
But more and more I'm thinking that the whole of politics in this modern era where decisions aren't made by MPs directly, but materialize thru the æther of the legal-charity-third sector blob, where politicos have lost any existence re the traditional class war, but since the Wall came down are subborned to literal uselessness.
All they have is their progressive echo chamber & their impotence to enact anything to make the population at large have better lives, so they purity spiral on trans rights, critical race theory, policing wrongspeak.
These are people I wouldn't trust to sort a shopping list, let alone policies that directly impinge the lives of millions, including millions of girls and women.
As to why the SNP are prepared to die on this most extreme of hills, that echo chamber is how they maintain relationships in politics as well as judge the virtue of others, and as horizontal radicalising continues unabated, the absolutely insane becomes the definitely sane in their eyes.
The problem is, the further they go down this rabbit hole, the further they get away from the light, until all they can see is each other, and this becomes their normal.

Waitwhat23 · 20/01/2026 20:33

Emoji wise, we need a Kristen Bell cringe face one, an 'oh snap!' one and an evil laughter while holding a gin and tonic one for a proper range.

INeedAPensieve · 20/01/2026 20:28

Hoardasurass · 20/01/2026 17:06

I think that they just mean an ordinary woman when they use the offensive term nontransman

If I am getting my head around this I think when they say a non transman they mean just a man and a non trans woman is a woman?! Either way it's offensive nonsense. We are not defined as being not trans FFS!!!! Our sex is either male or female, humans cannot change sex so we cannot be non anything relating to someone who believes they are the opposite sex. I actually want to find out who signed this off, has John Swinney actually approving this absolute tosh? Just so violent male prisoners can be housed with vulnerable women? What is wrong with our government?!

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 20/01/2026 20:21

Has the SNP said it would be 'literal genocide' to put men in a men's prison. 🤪

I think 'trans'iding people are nuts, I think the SNP are nut's, I'm starting to sense a pattern.

DrBlackbird · 20/01/2026 20:03

SwirlyGates · 20/01/2026 19:32

I really dislike the MN selection of emojis - they're basically all variations on 'like', 'agree', 'support'. There's nothing for 'wow, that's outragous'!

(Actually I don't have a lot of use for them and never look at the ones people have given me, plus you can't see other people's, but those are separate issues.)

Edited

We really need a "For fuck’s sake!" emoji for reading sentences that include nontransman and transman… the idea being doing away with the words male/man and female/woman altogether will resolve all those painful ‘no’s’ the gender ideologues hate hearing.

It is shit like this that fuels the divisions between left and right.

BrokenSunflowers · 20/01/2026 19:57

ArabellaSaurus · 20/01/2026 19:55

Ah, here's the key line:

'The Scottish government has said if its legal arguments fail, and transgender prisoners must be categorised by biological sex, the court should issue a declaration that UK law is incompatible with human rights treaty obligations.'

I understand the ECHR has already ruled that it is not a breach of human rights to incarcerate a man who identifies as a woman with other men. Unfortunately I didn’t keep the link.

ArabellaSaurus · 20/01/2026 19:55

Ah, here's the key line:

'The Scottish government has said if its legal arguments fail, and transgender prisoners must be categorised by biological sex, the court should issue a declaration that UK law is incompatible with human rights treaty obligations.'

ArabellaSaurus · 20/01/2026 19:53

'The case is due to be heard early in February, and the Scottish government’s defence of transgender criminals, including murderers, threatens to become a potent political issue before the Holyrood elections in May. '

You've shat your bed, now you'd better lie in it. I think that's how the expression goes.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 20/01/2026 19:48

First we're non-men and now we're non-transmen, they really really hate women don't they. 😠

BrokenSunflowers · 20/01/2026 19:40

’male rapists may commit suicide if they don’t get to rape women’

SwirlyGates · 20/01/2026 19:36

Well of course. When all else fails, use emotional blackmail and threaten suicide.

SwirlyGates · 20/01/2026 19:32

MyAmpleSheep · 20/01/2026 16:28

If we're cherry-picking contentious statements in the arguments, can I volunteer this?

29: Gender reassignment or, more broadly, gender identity also comes within the scope of “equal opportunities” in L2 in the Scotland Act as one of the “other personal attributes”. A nontransman and a transman are different by reference to that characteristic or attribute. Similarly, a non-transwoman and a transwoman are different on the same basis. To treat a transperson and a non-transperson in exactly the same way in all circumstances only because of their common biology is unlawful discrimination in Convention rights terms but is the basis on which the petition proceeds.

WTAF are a nontransman and a non-transwoman?

The difference between a nontransman and a "transman" is that the first is a man and the second is a woman.

What a pile of rubbish!

I really dislike the MN selection of emojis - they're basically all variations on 'like', 'agree', 'support'. There's nothing for 'wow, that's outragous'!

(Actually I don't have a lot of use for them and never look at the ones people have given me, plus you can't see other people's, but those are separate issues.)

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Hoardasurass · 20/01/2026 17:06

MyAmpleSheep · 20/01/2026 16:28

If we're cherry-picking contentious statements in the arguments, can I volunteer this?

29: Gender reassignment or, more broadly, gender identity also comes within the scope of “equal opportunities” in L2 in the Scotland Act as one of the “other personal attributes”. A nontransman and a transman are different by reference to that characteristic or attribute. Similarly, a non-transwoman and a transwoman are different on the same basis. To treat a transperson and a non-transperson in exactly the same way in all circumstances only because of their common biology is unlawful discrimination in Convention rights terms but is the basis on which the petition proceeds.

WTAF are a nontransman and a non-transwoman?

The difference between a nontransman and a "transman" is that the first is a man and the second is a woman.

What a pile of rubbish!

I think that they just mean an ordinary woman when they use the offensive term nontransman

INeedAPensieve · 20/01/2026 16:46

Gender identity is NOT a protected characteristic! Did Maggie Personperson write this total drivel???!!