SNP in secret attempt to challenge Supreme Court ruling on sex

The rules based order is breaking down and as a result politicians and others feel emboldened to be brazen in their disregard. As with Trump, if you say and do extreme and contrary things with impunity then the public simply stop expecting anything different, or better.

The TRAs accuse us of obsessing about genitals and chromosomes -which we don't - but this is exactly why facts matter.
Legislation can't be based on "self declaration" otherwise we'd have chaos.

Exactly. Why can't they concentrate their resources in providing adequate, separate provision in male prisons for any prisoners that they consider to be too vulnerable to be in the main estate?

I suspect it comes down to their firmly held belief that TWAW, therefore they are going to fight tooth and nail to keep them in women's prisons, regardless of the impact on female prisoners.

Yes, I think that's the only way they are able to try and bridge the yawning gap of cognitive dissonance. By inventing and hallucinating sheer twaddle and then trying to crowbar it into reality and hope nobody notices.

Someone's shown them how to use ChatGPT and so we're probably seeing the results as they think they can just say what they want to happen and ChatGPT will magically make it so.

This!!!

Which crowd are all these politicians playing to?

Why are they going ahead with whats fairly certain self destruction?

It cant just be the inertia of an old idea because they could have wiped the slate clean with Sturgeon’s downfall or the SC judgment. Are these parties reliant on loads of true believer donors?

I'm convinced that Labour and the SNP want to lose at this point.

Reform are not very keen on the EA 2010 either. So it is being attacked from the left and the right. God help us all.

They don't care the polls say they're going to win, so they can do whatever they want.

Now imagine doing that just before the elections.

Do these people actually want Reform to sweep the board?

That would be political suicide IMO.

Imagine what the Tories and Reform would make of it.

Or provide the UK government with just the excuse they need to change the Act.

Can Westminster send the bailiffs in to recover the money that's owed to FWS for their Supreme Court costs?

Scottish Parliament is a devolved government right? Maybe it's about time Westminster took that power away from them. I don't think they deserve it quite frankly. The Scottish people deserve better. Although tbf our current Labour Government isn't exactly better I suppose.

I don't foresee the closure of women's prisons on cost grounds.

I didn't say that. I gave the analogy of what is happening to women's support services.

They cease to get funding if the stick to strict women only aims.

But get funding to carry on the service if it is transinclusive.

No prisons would be closed. There aren't enough anyway.

They will do some fake survey and find out most women prisoners dont care, or some such, and the policy, based on costs arguement become trans inclusive.

I don't foresee the closure of women's prisons on cost grounds.

And promptly get taken to court again for discriminating against women by endangering our safety.

No it would just come down to the situation we currently have which is using a cost benefit analysis. More women's services are being cut because of the representation that women only it too expensive to provide. More women's services have been lost to this financial arguement, than any that have closed because of excluding trans women.

By not using the word women, those who want services based on the word women as per the court ruling would be asked to provide a financial arguement for it that it is worth the cost.

They all use this. Local councils to cut women only services, the NHS to not provide single sex wards, etc..

ie we would be back to is it "proportionate" to provide single sex services, within the totality of service provision.

The only one that may remain as being legally implemented will be workplace provision of single sex toilets.

For a start both Governments could get round this by for instance just renaming prisons as being based on gender identity.

And promptly get taken to court again for discriminating against women by endangering our safety.

I dont think what they are doing is any different than what Labour is doing but in a different way.

They are trying to make out that to implement the Supreme Court ruling is unfair, discrimatory to trans people. So breaches equality

And as such such not be implemented literally.

For a start both Governments could get round this by for instance just renaming prisons as being based on gender identity.

The ruling only said that if the word woman was used in relation to the EA has to mean biological women.

But as with the impetus to do this the underlying fact is that all these people are determined that even though it is only belief, all of us are meant to accept that self identity is the same as biology.

If it wasn't so seriious, it would be like a farce.

It is the relentless demand that we must all be subserviant to the gender identity religion. Non believers will be punished.

I find it hard to get my head around these appalling people. No heart, no brain, no courage, indeed. But sadly not just a movie.

Scotgov may well be doing a Sandy Kemp and just asserting trans prisoners have these convention rights, and similarly not bothering with such trivialities as sound reasoning or applicable case law.

Starting from the SC ruling it identified that the Act in law means that sex means biological sex.

So if this publication is true (which i doubt) then the Scot’s government are seeking a declaration of incompatibility of the EQA, with human rights article 8, not the SC ruling.

they would have to show that European Human rights conferred upon trans people the right to use opposite sex facilities, which it does not. There is no case law on this matter.

Further more article 8 is qualified not absolute which means that domestic law has wide scope to determine its own policy on such matters.

its just utter nonsense.

Imagine doing this and getting caught doing this and thinking you can keep it quiet. And how it looks to a public who don't believe this shite and will be unimpressed.

Imagine doing this and winning at doing this. And knowing if you win it will become headline news, which is pretty dim because you know the public don't believe tthis shite and will be unimpressed.

Imagine doing this, losing getting caught doing it and the public going WTAF do you think you are actually playing at you fucking sexism women betraying bastards.

Theres literally no scenario that works out well. You have to be so utterly devoted and blinkered to the reality that you hate women to the point of wanting to actively do this in public view.

It honestly sounds like a “going down with the ship” sort of move whose principal benefit is to virtue signal to the home crowd. You’re right that the SC considered human rights aspects in FWS, and it would be brave subordinate court that would go against that.

Alternatively, perhaps the Scottish government has thought of some stellar legal argument that nobody else has spotted up till now. Who knows.

in any event, we may not be signatories to the ECHR for that much longer, so it will be moot.