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Minister blames 'slow' EHRC for trans guidance delay

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IwantToRetire · 07/01/2026 21:21

Asked why the publication of the guidance had been delayed, Phillipson told the BBC: "I asked the EHRC for information that I needed to inform that decision.

"That unfortunately was slow in being forthcoming."

She added: "I asked for the information you would expect routinely as part of this process, for example an equalities impact assessment, that the EHRC just checks that this doesn't mean a burden on business.

"This doesn't have to be a long and drawn out process. I'm determined to do this properly but I absolutely am committed to making sure that women, whether it's in rape crises centres, women's refuges, or in access to other provisions and accommodations, have got what they need to feel safe."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr4k61dqnzlo

Women and Equalities Minister Bridget Phillipson

Minister blames 'slow' watchdog for trans guidance delay

The EHRC has urged Bridget Phillipson to speed up her approval of the guidance, which was submitted in September.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr4k61dqnzlo

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RedToothBrush · 08/01/2026 15:30

They are writing the guidelines one word a day and the person responsible has been off sick a few times.

Either that or theirs no political will at the EHRC or by Phillipson to do their actual job properly.

CheeseChamp · 08/01/2026 15:25

She said she wants an Equalities Impact Assessment to check for any burden on businesses. What? That is not the purpose of an EIA. It might note any burden on people with protected characteristics, but it is not going to say 'ooh that might be expensive though'

nicepotoftea · 08/01/2026 15:16

for example an equalities impact assessment

What for? The law hasn't changed?

it's not the job of the EHRC to change the law.

UtopiaPlanitia · 08/01/2026 15:14

MarieDeGournay · 08/01/2026 10:16

The EHRC website says
The draft code was submitted to the Minister for Women and Equalities for approval on 4 September 2025. The next stage is for a draft code, as approved by her, to be laid before Parliament.
On 15 October 2025, we wrote to the minister to ask for:

  • an update on that process
  • the revocation of the 2011 version of the code, as it is now out of date in various respects
so it looks like they are waiting for the Minister and the Minister is waiting for them.

It probably won't happen under current management, but I can imagine Baroness Falkner calling the Minister's bluff and saying very publicly -
'Here is all the information you said you were waiting for, so there's no justification for any more delay, Minister'

Falkner already called Phillipson's bluff. In a number of interviews towards the end of her period as head of EHRC, Falkner stated that the information given to Phillipson is sufficient and meets the requirements and that no further studies need to be carried out and that's why EHRC are not minded to carry them out.

She also stated that Phillipson has had the Code of Practice since May rather than September and so has been sitting on it for much longer than is mentioned regularly in the media.

Skyellaskerry · 08/01/2026 13:56

KitWyn · 08/01/2026 11:34

Because Phillipson doesn't want to commit to agreeing that spaces must be split by sex not gender.

By using the word 'safe' she's weaselly leaving the (toilet, changing room, refuge and prison) door open to using risk assessments for trans women. And thus allowing these men into women-only spaces.

Hence her treacherous nonsense intervention in the recent case brought by the Good Laff Project.

I do not trust Phillipson at all.

Starmer consistently used “safe spaces” when the subject arose during the last election campaign. Carefully chosen weasel words yes.

Keeptoiletssafe · 08/01/2026 13:07

KnottyAuty · 08/01/2026 12:45

Exactly! Heather Binning of WRN fame couldn’t get her first job due to that reason. How ridiculous that we are going back to that

Oo I never knew that factoid. Thanks Knotty

KnottyAuty · 08/01/2026 12:45

Keeptoiletssafe · 08/01/2026 10:49

Thank you. Yes women have never had equality with toilets - the fact that there were no women’s toilets was given as an acceptable reason not to employ women (in living memory).

Exactly! Heather Binning of WRN fame couldn’t get her first job due to that reason. How ridiculous that we are going back to that

KitWyn · 08/01/2026 11:34

Mylovelygreendress · 08/01/2026 10:51

Why does Phillipson keep talking about “ safe” spaces rather than “ single sex” spaces ?

Because Phillipson doesn't want to commit to agreeing that spaces must be split by sex not gender.

By using the word 'safe' she's weaselly leaving the (toilet, changing room, refuge and prison) door open to using risk assessments for trans women. And thus allowing these men into women-only spaces.

Hence her treacherous nonsense intervention in the recent case brought by the Good Laff Project.

I do not trust Phillipson at all.

MarieDeGournay · 08/01/2026 11:17

Keeptoiletssafe · 08/01/2026 10:49

Thank you. Yes women have never had equality with toilets - the fact that there were no women’s toilets was given as an acceptable reason not to employ women (in living memory).

It was interesting to see that the Welsh statutory guidance on toilets acknowledges this, what with the Welsh administration being quite a bastion of gender ideology:

2.10 ....despite women making up more than half of the UK population, and with a higher proportion of older people being women, there is more provision for men, primarily because of the smaller space that urinals take up. Historically, the ideal ratio of 1 male facility to 2 female facilities has not been delivered, which results in insufficient provision for women.
32533 The Provision of Toilets in Wales: Local Toilets Strategies, English Version

This document dates from 2018 - I haven't been able to find anything more recent, so it would appear to still be the relevant statutory guidance.

Imnobody4 · 08/01/2026 11:10

Mylovelygreendress · 08/01/2026 10:51

Why does Phillipson keep talking about “ safe” spaces rather than “ single sex” spaces ?

Because a safe space can exclude all men who are not women, while a single sex space can exclude all men even if they claim to be women.

Keeptoiletssafe · 08/01/2026 10:57

Mylovelygreendress · 08/01/2026 10:51

Why does Phillipson keep talking about “ safe” spaces rather than “ single sex” spaces ?

Because it could be argued that trains, planes and small cafes should have single sex toilets.

edit: as a guess

Bashbackbastards · 08/01/2026 10:53

Mylovelygreendress · 08/01/2026 10:51

Why does Phillipson keep talking about “ safe” spaces rather than “ single sex” spaces ?

Because Labour think we're stupid

Keeptoiletssafe · 08/01/2026 10:53

My last post just highlights the complexity of the task. As a country we know more about how many street lamps we have than how many public toilets we have. There are a few toilets researchers out there who have been saying we need to fund study into toilets for decades. It appears to be under no one’s remit and everyone’s remit, such is the necessity.

Mylovelygreendress · 08/01/2026 10:51

Why does Phillipson keep talking about “ safe” spaces rather than “ single sex” spaces ?

Keeptoiletssafe · 08/01/2026 10:49

ProfessorIDareSay · 08/01/2026 10:37

Thank you. Yes women have never had equality with toilets - the fact that there were no women’s toilets was given as an acceptable reason not to employ women (in living memory).

bigboykitty · 08/01/2026 10:38

The law is the law and has been clarified by the Supreme Court for the hard of understanding. The pending guidance is supplementary and its absence should not be used as justification for noncompliance with the law. Phillipson is awful.

ProfessorIDareSay · 08/01/2026 10:37

Keeptoiletssafe · 08/01/2026 10:31

You note she mentions the HSE as well as the EHRC. The HSE has a huge responsibility to keep people safe and healthy. Adding unisex provision for example will mean they have to change all sort of legislation and regulations. It really is complicated and that’s just for toilets. It is huge economically, socially, logistically and all should be underpinned by health and safety. This interview gives me hope they really are trying to do this thoroughly.

Read this this morning and thought of you @Keeptoiletssafe

https://www.thetimes.com/article/c20128eb-d2bc-4359-8132-70820746e1f8?shareToken=be4ea34e547b5e4e2b614137e990e866

Women caught short in Holyrood ‘toilet wars’

There are more lavatories for men than for women across the Scottish government’s Edinburgh office estate, though a majority of civil service staff are female

https://www.thetimes.com/article/c20128eb-d2bc-4359-8132-70820746e1f8?shareToken=be4ea34e547b5e4e2b614137e990e866

Keeptoiletssafe · 08/01/2026 10:31

You note she mentions the HSE as well as the EHRC. The HSE has a huge responsibility to keep people safe and healthy. Adding unisex provision for example will mean they have to change all sort of legislation and regulations. It really is complicated and that’s just for toilets. It is huge economically, socially, logistically and all should be underpinned by health and safety. This interview gives me hope they really are trying to do this thoroughly.

ArabellaSaurus · 08/01/2026 10:26

'"This doesn't have to be a long and drawn out process. I'm determined to do this properly but I absolutely am committed to making sure that women, whether it's in rape crises centres, women's refuges, or in access to other provisions and accommodations, have got what they need to feel safe."
She said "we're making progress" and the watchdog's new chairwoman Dr Mary-Ann Stephenson, who took on the role in December, was "going to do a fantastic job".'

That may be positive, actually.

MarieDeGournay · 08/01/2026 10:16

The EHRC website says
The draft code was submitted to the Minister for Women and Equalities for approval on 4 September 2025. The next stage is for a draft code, as approved by her, to be laid before Parliament.
On 15 October 2025, we wrote to the minister to ask for:

  • an update on that process
  • the revocation of the 2011 version of the code, as it is now out of date in various respects
so it looks like they are waiting for the Minister and the Minister is waiting for them.

It probably won't happen under current management, but I can imagine Baroness Falkner calling the Minister's bluff and saying very publicly -
'Here is all the information you said you were waiting for, so there's no justification for any more delay, Minister'

impossibletoday · 08/01/2026 09:37

LizzieSiddal · 07/01/2026 22:29

I watched her on BCC2 Politics Live talking about this today. The Conservative MP accused her of not knowing what a woman was, she was pretty annoyed with him saying he’d never done a thing about women’s rights when in power and neither had Kemi Badanoch.
She said the Law was very clear about knowing what a women was and that they should be given “safe spaces”. She seems pretty genuine to me but we won’t know until that guidance is out.

Edited

Clip of this

https://x.com/i/status/2008892427890045083

And one from an unknown date

https://x.com/i/status/1805352140275147000

Biology Rules Ok (@OkayBiology) on X

Bridget Phillipson embarrassing herself on the BBC. #OnlyPunchbagsAndDogwhistles

https://x.com/i/status/2008892427890045083

IwantToRetire · 08/01/2026 01:07

I think they are doing what it appears the Government in Scotland is trying to do via a legal challenge, which is to say that to implement the application of the ruling that sex means biology is "unfair" (and by implication "discriminatory" as it allows women to say trans women are not the same as biological women.

In effect (and repeating myself from the other thread) they dont want the application of the ruling to mean that society as a whole, let alone the businesses etc., who have to implement be able to say, and implement a provision of services that makes it clear that biological women and trans women are not the same thing.

For years now, Stonewall etc., have been providing guidance that says they are. Many people fell for this lie, and now rather than thinking we were misled, are saying but we were told we are they same, and the court shouldn't make as feel we aren't.

And the current Labour Government thinks this groups of people are more important than women.

That's why Philipson is trying to blame the EHRC. When it seems obvious (IMO) that what they are trying to do get the EHRC to water down when, if at all, TW can be excluded from women's services or provision.

At all cost TW must be given the right to insert themselves into women only provision because it is essential that women submit to male demands. And Labour is prepared to service this demand.

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selffellatingouroborosofhate · 07/01/2026 23:08

LizzieSiddal · 07/01/2026 22:29

I watched her on BCC2 Politics Live talking about this today. The Conservative MP accused her of not knowing what a woman was, she was pretty annoyed with him saying he’d never done a thing about women’s rights when in power and neither had Kemi Badanoch.
She said the Law was very clear about knowing what a women was and that they should be given “safe spaces”. She seems pretty genuine to me but we won’t know until that guidance is out.

Edited

Didn't Kemi try to table a Friday morning bill to make sex mean biological sex whilst a back-bencher, which Labour MPs promptly blocked by filibustering?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/01/2026 23:00

IAmAHomewardBounder · 07/01/2026 22:17

Funny how they were able to make everything mixed sex without bothering with impact assessments but now it's vital.

I think the delay is because they're scared of the reaction from certain parties if single sex spaces are explicitly protected.

Isn’t it just.

Keeptoiletssafe · 07/01/2026 22:56

I have sympathy with how long it’s taking. There is going to be a lot of fallout economically and policy-wise, and I only know about toilets! A lot of businesses including schools have ‘inclusive’ toilets and this will have to change. To be fair, if offices and venues had followed building standards, they would be fine. It was designers trying to reinvent toilet designs without understanding H&S legislation and regulations. But even Document T wasn’t retrospective.

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