Article about Mumsnet on Unherd. "Has Mumsnet fallen for Farage? Labour is losing Middle England"

The Clinton team seemed to really think she would be elected.
That's incredible, after she's failed once already!

This seems to be a real blindness in some of the left wing parties now. It's so strange, in most cases anyone with eyes can see that what they are doing is not going to work, that their candidates or policies aren't going to be popular, that they will lose that vote...

But they seem completely shocked by it. Brexit, Trump's election. The Clinton team seemed to really think she would be elected.

Imo politians have relied upon an ignorant plebiscite. As an example, I have both been informed by posters on mn on gender issues, and found support for my opinions.
I can guarantee that, without mn, I would not be so critical of most politicians, because I would not have access to the relevant information.
A different case is the Egyptian man who was recently welcomed to the uk. Without x, I would know about his abhorrent tweets. Yes, MSM did report on this, but only after x revealed it.
It is very difficult to govern a country that knows what's going on.

@IMissTheLittleBluePackets I guess pride comes before a fall!

They are so arrogant though. I remember when Miliband was running for PM. I wrote to the Labour party to tell them that people didn't like him. They wrote back sniffily telling me that they were heading for a landslide victory, and to eff off, basically.

I addressed this a year ago: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5257294-i-think-the-spell-is-finally-broken?reply=141610499

The US presidential election effectively asked the electorate "which is worse: a rapist who has a track record of keeping (or at least trying damn hard to keep) manifesto promises, or a woman who, based on her party's track record, will break manifesto promises?" The people weren't voting to choose someone to be their sister's plus-one at a wedding or chaperone their daughter at a gynaecological examination, they were voting to choose someone to run their country. In that context, being a rapist matters less than being someone who can be trusted to keep manifesto promises.

Perhaps the idea is that we should Voldemort him.

I recently read a blogpost by an American writing coach who literally referred to "those wizard books that we don't talk about because the author is unhinged".

The writing coach didn't seem to realise how massively teenage this made her look.

Who, Farage? How is he being 'pushed'? Are we not to mention his name, or what?

The very same could be said of the swathes of ‘feminists’ on here who (rightly) denounce trans ideology as harmful to women and girls but are absolutely silent, or worse, excuse, the attitudes and crimes of Muslim men because they are brown and Muslim. Only that is much, much worse and has enabled the mass gang rape and torture of hundreds of thousands of white girls, which continues to this day.

These ‘feminists’ are covered in blood🩸

Why is this twat constantly being pushed on here?

The people we assume are the intended audience are not always the actual intended audience.

WRT inadequate men, their audience is 'more successful men'. That's the power structure they're working with and the one they care about. Women are seen and used as currency in that context, to either buy status or soothe hurt egos.

For government, the audiences are 1. party members, wrt internal political factions and ambitions 2. lobbyists and 3. personal interests. Constituents are their 'audience' only in the run up to an election - used as currency, a way to gain or exercise power.

So often when we see men display misogyny, we think the motivation is hatred of women. I'd say that that's often secondary - their primary motivation is position in the male hierarchy. And also when we see politicians treat constituents/the public with contempt, we think 'they hate us' - they're just not interested; they are motivated by seeking power and gratification and reward among those three areas I listed.

Of course, that does not apply to your alignment with the SWP.

You are not an advocate for women's safety if you excuse his acts. The opposite in fact.

Well I don't give a flying fuck what he does in his personal life. He's acted to make girls sports safe again and keep boys out of girls single-sex spaces which will definitely reduce sexual assaults and restore girls privacy and dignity. That works for me, and I'm not alone based on the majority who voted for him.

News flash: sneering doesn't work.

labour couldn't reverse it for me, they've proved to misogynistic venal liars . I'm a supporter of Kemi Badenoch now.

Labour have unraveled so fast because their core motivation is resentment and spite. From farmers, small business owners, retired people, home owners, landlords to 5 year old prep school kids ..it’s all about spiting people rather than improving anything. You can get away with this nonsense when you’re a protest party in opposition but not when in Government. Spite policies always drag everyone down eventually and it’s entirely obvious to anyone but the most committed tribal Labour supporters that that’s exactly what’s happening.

How on earth does valuing morals and child safeguarding lead to anyone voting for a serial adulterer, someone who talked sexually about his daughter, a frequent flyer to Hotel Epstein and someone who "grabbed them by the pussy"?!

Might as well vote for a brexit traitor to show your support for rejoining the EU.

Well presumably the alternative is totalitarianism and no democracy. That's what some politicians quite clearly want.

I don't think protest votes are meant to have a short term effect.

The goal is to send a message to those who have failed to win support, that they need to wake the hell up.

Pointing to the people who get in instead, which seems to be the way many parties are operating now, is a kind of deflection, from that perspective. What they need to be doing is looking at themselves and why voters have no confidence in them.

The farmers' issue is a really interesting one. About a month ago, Labour withdrew the whip from Cumbria MP Markus Campbell-Savours for opposing their inheritance tax raid on farmers. And Markus is Labour aristocracy, his dad is Lord Campbell-Savours who was an MP for many years.

The government has now u-turned on farmers' inheritance tax. But Markus hasn't got the whip back.

It's all about control. It's all about an arrogant political class who think Markus Campbell-Savours is impertinent for pointing out that they're doing something that will cost him his seat, and they're entitled to punish him for recommending they do something that they did days later.

Principal Skinner thinks the kids are out of touch.

An alternative would be going back to before the rise of the professional politician, where MPs came from and represented the voice of their community.

Was there ever such a time ?

Also, if you know that you will be elected just because you wear the right rosette, then what incentive is there for you do do anything ? Just look what the MP for Clacton has done for Clacton (to pick a seat at random).

The only way to prevent career politicians is to limit terms in office somehow.