What FOI Data Shows About Trans Women in Single Sex Spaces

You'd be forgiven for thinking that the 'T' bolted on to 'LGB' stands for 'Toilet', the way they go on and on and on about using the women's toilet.....🙄

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Can you (or someone in your network) complain anonymously on her behalf?

It’s easy to set up a protonmail email account.

I have a few statistics but they are piecemeal because no ‘body’ collates them. For example no one knows how many people die in toilets or how many get sexually assaulted. What I can say is private designs are worse for both and private mixed sex are worse for women and children.

Because the designs have changed in recent years I think that corresponds with worse outcomes. This is particularly noticeable in schools.

Wasn’t there a female patient who was raped by a patient and yet for months NHS staff said that couldn’t have happened as she was on a single sex ward?
https://x.com/stoatlyl/status/1504458815353327625?s=61&t=gKvvk-rWmOlYFGMZN8QVvQ

We seem to be in a position where there are less complaints about men being in women’s toilets, than there are recorded attacks by men on women in women’s toilets - I’m pretty sure figures have been posted by someone here before but I’ll see if I can find them!

This is another good point about women complaining. Studies show we still do the bulk of the childcare, elder care and housework, alongside working, so we don't have TIME to complain unlike men who don't do all this unpaid work. Especially when it's made difficult, which it obviously is when it's anything against what the lanyard autocracy wants such as safeguarding or women's rights.

I will note that the transwidow threads suggest that the one thing men are not keen to appropriate when it comes to 'feeling like a woman' is the unpaid labour women do. It's all frilly knickers and spinny skirts and not so much the hoovering, washing dishes and cleaning up sick.

Many public bodies have made the complaints process deliberately soul destroying and overly time consuming so that many people give up, and so they can evade accountability. You only have to look at situations like the Darlington nurses to see how women are punished for complaining and how it is made difficult for them to do so.

'Mothers with newborns fail to find time to make formal complaints' shocker.

When there were loads of issues with Bounty it became apparent that despite the hundreds of complaints on MN of some pretty awful experiences, FOI requests found there were no complaints.

This is about how women are invisible to society because authority doesn't work for them and they don't trust authority and feel like they are outside the decision making process and how they feel they are forced to accept things imposed on them.

Exactly.

I'd be unlikley to complain formally - I'd just try and avoid the service if I can at all - and if not hope I have no issues or find another reason to complain.

I did complain about dire maternity care for last pg - but only what we could prove lots of lying - took advice how to do it from a pressure group - went to top - got reassuarnce that meant nothing and penalised with worse care to point it endanaged me and baby life and more bullying - and then futher complaints were managed away - with busy life and newborn we didn't persue though did impact on decion on whether to have another child. Sister complained in differnet area - had same - much worse care. Not sure either complaint could be found if looked for.

DN care was so poor consultant at next hospital encouraged complaint againt previous team as it was medical negligence - medical records lost - know few people that happened to. Dmum refused to complaint about Dad poor care - terrfified it would make situation worse for Dad when no-one was there.

We're near Bristiol and have encounted mixed sex loo fair bit - IL complain loudly but never formally - none of us like them but we in daytime often in group and they usually don't feel unsafe - one that did we didn't go back to they'd been reconfigured. So we all hate them - avoid if really badly laid out but never complain formally.

The really badly laid out and constructed changing village with lots of convitions for voyeurism associated with it women change in the toilets cubicles or don't use the center - they keep complaining numbers using are down but change nothing.

You have to have the confidence to complain and expectation that there would be some change forthcoming and no blow back on complaint.

To be perfectly honest, if it keeps them busy and they want to spend time hassling LAs with pointless questions, then there's no harm in it beyond the cost of public servants' time.

Comment on Reddit:
"This makes my blood boil that toilet use has become such a central part of public discourse"

Remind me again how this all started? No one can be this clueless!!

TransLucent's Freedom of Information investigations across 382 public bodies, covering a period of over three years, found only four complaints about trans women.

Define official complaints.

If I complain to the hospital receptionist about a man in the women's toilets I would assume that i have made an official complaint. However I'm starting to realise that official complaints are only regarded as official once it reaches board heights. So how many complaints have been downgraded to unofficial due to not being made the "correct" way and therefore dismissed from the stats?

Absence of proof, is not proof of absence.

4 complaints over 3 years from 382 public bodies seems more like proof that public bodies have made it impossible for women to complain.

If anyone were to do something about a voyeur or exhibitionist or a man wanking in the ladies, I don't think their LA would be who they'd contact, tbh.

Just found it - it says here 26 staff members signed the letter https://www.google.com/url?q=www.bbc.com/news/articles/czr16x3gg2ro

A lot more complained to HR. I can't remember the exact number, but I think it was over 20.

And Sandie Peggie said that other staff members told her they were uncomfortable, but they didn't complain officially (I wonder why 🤔)

Does that total of four complaints include the 8 Darlington nurses?😏

The efforts of these men to convince the world that women are fine with them in our spaces are as successful as their efforts to convince the world that they are really women.

Same level of desperation and dishonesty.

In this culture around gender of insane dishonesty, immorality, coercion, appalling behaviours and open bullying, and often staring you in the eye with the evidence right before them and insisting to you that it isn't there, it's rather like the Labour party. You cannot believe a single thing that comes from that direction.

Exactly, it's like when your coercively controlling abuser tells you that you're fine and they haven't tried to police your speech, control, undermine you and abuse you at every turn. It's meaningless lies and abuse. The point is they don't care what women think, they don't think women are full humans. Even as they're appropriating our words and human rights. They only want us to shut up and this 'report' is just concluding they've succeeded in shutting us up. Well not on here they haven't.

Exactly. Look at what happens with crime statistics data when people stopped recording crimes properly according to sex?

How many times did people complain at pools, gyms, and simply had their memberships revoked rather than having the complaint recorded? How many women were fired from their jobs for complaining?

And I'm pretty sure the hundreds of brave women who faced verbal abuse and physical intimidation and violence as they were publicly protesting radical gender ideology were pretty openly and clearly complaining.

I'm not accusing them of cherry picking data but weren't there women in prison who tried to complain and lost parole or were investigated for hate crimes?

''Female prisoner acquitted of ‘transphobic remarks’''
''Sheriff Millar said he was left unconvinced as he heard little evidence from SPS officers, despite claims that internal prison investigations had been conducted into the allegations of hounding.''

https://insidetime.org/newsround/female-prisoner-acquitted-of-transphobic-remarks/

As pp’s have said, I think it is useful to show that these complaints don’t get documented.

Their data is incomplete. I personally know more than four women who have raised complaints about this.

This is the exact pattern I find when you have traditional boys and girls loos (separate with door gaps).

Some schools decide the best way is to make all the wc cubicles private and unisex (with shared sinks). This results in an unsafe environment if children have a medical emergency, the cubicles can’t be ventilated and cleaned as easily, and there are report of misuse for sex and drugs.

Another way schools have chosen, and was actually specified on the latest DfE design brief, is to have a ‘gender- neutral’ (note a different term to unisex which is the toilet specified by the school entrance) on each floor. This idea seems to have come from America, where I have found that they are used for sex, drugs and vandalised a lot. Pupils say they are disgusting and get ‘outed’ by using them and that teachers watch them (to try and mitigate problems). In America the school door gaps are huge compared to here so it is not unexpected with the total privacy they give gender neutral designs.

Girls won’t go into the boys toilets. They campaign for gender neutral then hate them. All girls avoid using toilets around boys.

Studying toilets in schools with all the weird combinations shows exactly what happens in society.