Do you exist IRL?

Someone has kindly posted links to entire journals instead of engaging directly.

That's lovely and thoughtful, but most of us are aware of these journals already.

So you are telling me what I've experienced and what I've seen. Amusing!

"My viewpoint is not based on stereotypes, it is based on observable real world actions and behaviours."

It isn't, but thank you for confirming why you hold the view you do on this subject. Please see my previous post where I've gathered together some links that might be of interest to someone who cares about "observable real world actions and behaviours"

Are there still people out there pretending that GC people like gender conformity? And think it's good and want more of it?

Because the clue is kind of in the name! Critiquing gender and its many harms!

‘Bigots’ who believe that women need sex specific rights? ‘Bigots’ who don’t want to be defined by tbe sexist stereotypes that oppressed their mothers and grandmothers? ‘Bigots’ who are old enough to remember life before equality law protected women’s rights? ‘Bigots’ who know people don’t just randomly menstruate, and give birth? That the consequences of pregnancy and miscarriage only affect one sex?

It’s just that the opposite of GC feminism seems to be very similar to the old fashioned sexism that many of us have endured for decades. ‘Don’t take up space, don’t be rude to men, don’t whatever you do be awkward and talk about women’s rights’.

My viewpoint is not based on stereotypes, it is based on observable real world actions and behaviours.

Why do you keep crossing out "bigots" in a passive aggressive way? Just say what you think, if that's what you think. Own it.

Since you clearly have an open, inquisitive and intellectually curious mind, here's a short list of relevant reading material for you to ponder:

Core Peer-Reviewed Papers on Non-Binary / Multi-Gender Identities
Richards et al. (2016) – Non-binary or genderqueer genders
International Review of Psychiatry
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26753630/
doi.org/10.3109/09540261.2015.1106446
Schudson & Morgenroth (2022) – Nonbinary gender identities
Current Opinion in Psychology
www.sciencedirect.com/.../pii/S2352250X22002202
doi.org/10.1016/j.copsyc.2022.101324
James et al. (2016) – The Report of the U.S. Transgender Survey
(Nationally representative dataset; includes non-binary genders)
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6830994/
Whyte, Brooks & Torgler (2018) – Man, woman, “other”
Archives of Sexual Behavior
link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-018-1261-2
doi.org/10.1007/s10508-018-1261-2
Clark et al. (2018) – Identities beyond the binary
Journal of Adolescent Health
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352250X22002202
doi.org/10.1016/j.jadohealth.2018.03.027
Systematic Reviews & Meta-Analyses
Scandurra et al. (2019) – Health of non-binary and genderqueer people: A systematic review
International Journal of Transgenderism
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31293486/
doi.org/10.1080/15532739.2019.1652120
Lefevor et al. (2023) – Mental health disparities among non-binary individuals
Clinical Psychology Review
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39385290/
doi.org/10.1016/j.cpr.2023.102222
McNeil et al. (2021) – Experiences of non-binary people in healthcare
BMJ Open
bmjopen.bmj.com/content/11/7/e046872
doi.org/10.1136/bmjopen-2020-046872
Quantitative & Qualitative Empirical Studies
Hyde et al. (2019) – Gender nonconformity and identity diversity
American Psychologist
psycnet.apa.org/record/2019-17415-001
doi.org/10.1037/amp0000307
Thorne et al. (2018) – Gender diversity in childhood and adolescence
Journal of Adolescent Research
journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0743558418761994
Barr et al. (2016) – Gender as a continuum
Sex Roles
link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-015-0569-1
doi.org/10.1007/s11199-015-0569-1
Measurement & Methodology Research (Important Scientifically)
Westbrook & Saperstein (2015) – New categories are not enough
Gender & Society
journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0891243215584758
Morgenroth & Ryan (2020) – The effects of gender identification beyond the binary
European Journal of Social Psychology
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ejsp.2673
Lindqvist et al. (2021) – Gender beyond the binary: Measurement and classification
Psychology & Sexuality
www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19419899.2020.1729847
Neuroscience, Development & Biological Context (Clarifying Sex vs Gender)
Joel et al. (2015) – Sex beyond the genitalia
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS)
www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1509654112
Fausto-Sterling (2012) – The dynamic development of sex and gender
Biology of Sex Differences
bsd.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2042-6410-3-9
Major Peer-Reviewed Journals Publishing Ongoing Research
(All peer-reviewed)
Archives of Sexual Behavior
link.springer.com/journal/10508
International Journal of Transgender Health
www.tandfonline.com/toc/wijt21/current
Gender & Society
journals.sagepub.com/home/gas
Current Opinion in Psychology
https://www.sciencedirect.com/journal/current-opinion-in-psychology

Didn’t someone post on here that KM is very quiet at work? I’m not sure he turns up to protests or debates either so I’m not sure he as a TRA exists IRL either.

As posters have pointed out, his colleagues will likely know he’s trans so aren’t about to launch into a discussion of trans v women’s rights because a) they’re being polite and b) don’t want to get sacked.

soundbite repetition is something that I have found most interesting potpouree.

I have found that those who are of the opinion that TWAW in real life do roll through the soundbite mantras when you start to ask questions. After a while when you start pointing out the lack of evidence or even logic to support those soundbites, people find they have nothing left but ‘just be kind’ which is an another soundbite.

You are evidently clever enough to realise your statement applies in both directions, of course,

And it might, not unreasonably I'd suggest, be said that bigots gender critical adherents would themselves "like to police people's thoughts!"

Yes - it has completely undermined the assumption that centrist/left of centre politics values science and evidence.

Obviously I've not posted for ages because of, you know, the nazis and the bots and how authoritarian Elon has even censored the word cîs

That did make me chuckle. "This point I'm making is so important it's totally worth using a nazi bigot platform".

It seems to sway from it’s a genocide, everyone hates us, we must leave the country to nobody cares. It did make me laugh though poor Col can’t use X because he can no longer use Cis.

Yes, it's been a gift for them.
I'm sure there are some lefty factions that have come out as recognising sex and gender identity as separate things, aren't there? It might take a while to reach the rest of the left though.

People give such a fuck that we can probably trace a big portion of the rise of far right populism across the world to this particular issue. Another reason I am cross with TRAs and identity politics in general.

When I get into these conversations IRL I try and consider who is being genuine and who is perhaps just flinging soundbites out for a reaction.

Most people IRL are genuine and want to talk about it, in my experience.

I wonder sometimes how many trans people online are also trans in real life. There seems to be an awful lot more of them.on the Internet. And some are on the Internet so much it's hard to see how they have time for a life outside it.

Being trans online for Internet Points must be a lot less bother than actually walking the streets pretending to be the opposite sex.

You have no idea what's going on in people's heads, much as TRAs would like to police people's thoughts!

You're making assumptions about me and the circles I move in based on your own set of stereotypes about others.

Are you really saying that women discussing single sex provisions are bigots and just hateful?

It's just that I see so many TRAs stating that "nobody IRL cares about this stuff

’this stuff’ is women’s rights. They don’t exist if ‘woman’ is just a personality.

However there will always be men who say they are unimportant and women who are only too happy to agree.

If you are trans then I assure you that many people are being polite to your face; their real feelings may be rather different.

You are mistaken, but I both suspect and accept that we move in very, very different circles.

The delusional GC ideology that gendered stereotypes oppress women and sex is real and important.

I’m always amazed when people post on a site largely created for women who have just given birth, and fail to acknowledge the impact of sex.

Can’t think of anything more delusional really.

The whole concept of passing requires people to believe that men are male and women are female. Which is hateful according to TRAs.

You talk about trans people you know in terms of how well they pass.

Do you think trans rights should depend on passing?

No, I am forthright and clear in real life too about supporting women's rights. Why should I hide that? I am polite (as far as it goes) in face to face situations but I don't conceal what I really think for fake "social acceptability".

If you are trans then I assure you that many people are being polite to your face; their real feelings may be rather different.

I appreciate that i'm more fortunate than others who, understandably, have to hide their sex realism, e.g. at work.