Do you exist IRL?

Here you go

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/zsq9r2p

As I said before, it's odd to post on this website and not seem to understand the basics of sex.

Unless I have just missed the section of the website for all those 'help, I thought I was a man but what I thought was a large lunch turned out to be a baby' threads.t

the delusional GC ideology

The phrase of the moment, it seems.

I have no real hobbies 🙁 because I’m too busy with both my paid employment and my time-consuming voluntary role, involvement with grandchildren and exercise at the gym. That’s quite enough in my early seventies.

Ah, so I was correct in thinking you haven't actually read any scientific data and aren't able to reason out as to why your GC ideology has scientific basis. No, I thought not.

They have been discussed at length on this website. I suggest you do the googling.

And incidentally betrayed just how sexist, unworldly and prejudiced they are. I mean, have they ever actually met or talked to a real life middle aged woman in the 2020s? Cos seems to me their images of women are pretty much just what they see in porn for young women, and the background characters from bad sitcoms for the rest of us 😂

I don't understand how that is relevant.

It doesn't make it more or less necessary for women to have sex based rights.

It's sometimes difficult to tell somebody's age - that doesn't mean that age is irrelevant.

You might as well argue that a 13 year old should be able to drive as long as they look 17.

Remember, the default position is that sex discrimination is unlawful. We should only be discriminating in situations when sex is relevant. If it isn't relevant, then just don't discriminate at all.

Or he may well have seen a friendly face is doesn't time presenting as a female and asked your opinion as they were very anxious. (He could also have been a massive creep)

You could kindly include the whole quote for context and stop with the personal attacks

Of course not, but my point is the people that I see discussed on here probably run shoulders quite happily in all walks of life and won't have a clue

Jade. Perhaps you could save us time by letting us know one of those articles that gives a non-circular definition of what a woman is. (They don't - if they did it would be widely shared as it's asked for all the time.)

Then we can discuss for example whether that new definition is the appropriate one to use for sports categories. It won't be, because sports are about how our physical bodies can perform. Identity feelings don't win races, physical bodies do.

Scientists can study what "people who say they identify as non-binary" do or feel. They have no definition of what a non-binary person /is/ except a belief that people hold about themselves. They could just as meaningfully study Christian people. Holding particular beliefs can affect us psychologically, but it doesn't make us a different category of biological human being.

I think what is is is that we have become a more censored version of ourselves IRL. Yes, everyone is being a little nicer and a little less rude and blunt in the name of not being cancelled or not having a HR report, but the truth is the ideologies still exist inside the person, and they are probably fuelling whatever they believe in online.

I find it takes so much longer to know what people’s beliefs are IRL, but once you know, it’s like you’ve met your tribe and all of these micro communities now form, and you don’t know who is in what group.

I also find people are more judgmental IRL of people that do not belong in their camp. I have witnessed this - for instance with the Isreal v Palestine - I have witnessed colleagues completely stop speaking to eachother because of what the other posted online - I’ve also seen people meet others that think like them online, join a community, and sometimes those communities have highly influential people who are then able to bring change at work (could be positive or negative).

I’ve seen it with the trans movement too. Yes, IRL people are polite enough, but then over the past year many genderless toilets have started disappearing - someone, somewhere is making those decisions.

So whilst I would say, of course we exist IRL, but we also have a digital twin and we have to question how much that twin reflect IRL us or a mental version of us nobody often gets access to.

Yep. I exist. So does my DD who desisted after 7 years of hell and is still damaged and confused after her experience and the continued lack of non affirming therapy.

I have family members who seem completely unaware of the issue, despite having a niece/granddaughter who has attempted suicide etc. Just couldn’t be arsed to understand the issue on any level as they were either male or privileged women who never use public baths, toilets and changing rooms, or women’s rape centres and refuges, thank God.

I think JKR really highlighted that part of the issue when she called out Emma Watson recently. It isn’t posh MC women who are majorly impacted (unless you are the mother of a posh middle class [autistic] girl who thinks she is man… lots of those, though many of those still inhabit a Neverland where BeKind to my special child is the religion).

I’ve told this story on here before. I was on a quiet street in Brighton when a transwoman came up behind me & asked my opinion of his hair, makeup and dress.

He was twice my size, there was nobody else around & I was scared. So obviously, I smiled, complimented him & got away ASAP. What else was I going to do?

He probably went off thinking I meant every word.

You are asking me to list everything in four journals that I don't agree with, have I understood that correctly?

What specific belief do I hold that you consider to be GC?

I rather suspect anyone who trots out the phrase ‘delusional GC ideology’ doesn’t actually know what ‘gender critical’ means (and doesn’t mean) at all.

Maybe they could start their education with Delusions of Gender? Or more simply, do they think the ideology inspiring campaigns like ‘Let Toys be Toys’ is ‘delusional’?

Well I think chromosomes have been very well researched , men are XY and women are XX. People have either differences if the XX chromosomes or the XY chromosomes . Noone is intersex. Clown fish can change sex , but they are fish not people.

Excellent! Since you are so well read on these journals, I shall be delighted to hear your thoughts on which aspects are, in your view, wrong since they conflict with your gender critical ideology.

Please try to be specific in your references, as well; we certainly don't want to be left with the impression that you haven't actually read any scientific data and aren't able to reason out as to why your GC ideology has scientific basis.

All the titles reveal an assumption that some characteristics are normal for women and some for men, a bit like Victorians hypothesising that women’s organs would be harmed by education.

Have whatever personality you want.

It no more changes your sex than women changed sex when they were allowed to go to university or wear trousers.

I’m afraid too many of us are aware of ‘Conundrum’ 1974 by Morris J to believe that this was ever based on anything more than stereotypes.