Use it?
Oh no my dear, we don't do that, we prop it up and look at it, preferably next to a picture of some kittens by a window where a real manly mannity manny man can be seen doing the garden.

supervised by a more manny man

😂

I hadn't realised we'd moved to a points based system. I think I'm in deficit in both counts. Does non-binary equate to a gender overdraft?

Ahhh.. Bez! Welcome to the club! I used to be able to push start (or roll down the hill start) but those were the days...

Thoughts and prayers Arabella.

I got my first and possibly only Man Point of the year today, when I gave a crossfitter a jump start after the gym.

Okay so she used her own leads and did the actual connections, and we were supervised by a more manny man. But I knew how to open my bonnet and where my battery was, so I'm claiming my Man Point!

I'm a man because I don't ostentatiously twiddle with my fucking hair like a twit.

Crikey!

yep. Ain't that the truth....

They exist in a parallel universe.

If you use your femininely floral wrapped shovel, all the paper will come off and it will be an ordinary shovel with annoying bits of paper all over it.

Well ... Maybe I don't exist in real life.

Between men like this and Alex Drummond, I think I am definitely a man now. I was fixing my car and then putting on make up and going to formal dinners as a teenager, Alex. And Jenifer.... I too grew up where a shovel was used by all my family. I actually have three all of my own to do 'ground work'....

What next? I must be a man because I can also do excellent painting and decorating, I own saws, a mattock and an axe, I can mend fences? Because this approach is bonkers. That they are 'women' broadening the bandwidth and going where no woman has gone before is just bonkers.

These men are so misogynistic that it really defies belief.

https://x.com/JebraFaushay/status/2008238145251197341?s=20

after the Fausto link went to a mouse liver study

I mean we keep saying "you couldn't make it up" in response to this stuff, and run a pub of dancing gerbils, but still the visitors manage to surprise us.

"It also offered an ideal opportunity to scold people who responded with scepticism for not reading everything instantly, in a typically condescending tone."

I suspect you are right.

I think posts such as Finch's is trying to overwhelm people with what they consider 'science'. It could be considered a 'flood the zone' attempt. It is not really a Gish gallop but the attempt was either to overwhelm people with so much evidence that surely people reading will think that Finch had a really good evidence base and must be right.

It also offered an ideal opportunity to scold people who responded with scepticism for not reading everything instantly, in a typically condescending tone.

Re "nobody IRL cares about this stuff", seems to be contradicted by FOI with Supreme Court re viewing figures for FWS:
FOI disclosure 2024 - UK Supreme Court
~19,200 for FWS versus 579 average

Yep, no end of possibilities here. It'd be brilliant.

Sadly, I think these bodies might be harder to convince than TRAs muppets with vested interests.

But if any of the TRAs want to let HMRC know I don’t exist I’d be v grateful. Am sick of them hounding me to do my tax return by the deadline when I’m trying my hardest to procrastinate it till the last minute. They certainly believe I exist.

I hadn’t thought of that. If I could convince my local council I didn’t exist I could stop paying mt council tax. And better yet, if the bank thought I didn’t exist I could start using my mortgage money for fun stuff.

I exist IRL, as do 20 or so of my university friends that I met up with over Christmas. We had a great conversation about all this. Not a single genderist amongst us. One or two still having to be careful what they say around BeKind uni age DC, but even most of our kids think it’s a load of codswallop too.

But if any of the TRAs want to let HMRC know I don’t exist I’d be v grateful. Am sick of them hounding me to do my tax return by the deadline when I’m trying my hardest to procrastinate it till the last minute. They certainly believe I exist.

I think posts such as Finch's is trying to overwhelm people with what they consider 'science'. It could be considered a 'flood the zone' attempt. It is not really a Gish gallop but the attempt was either to overwhelm people with so much evidence that surely people reading will think that Finch had a really good evidence base and must be right.

Or it was just meant to appear that way and to give posters who fully support gender identity theory some moral superiority if people didn't engage with the evidence presented.

The links that did work as expected though were not new to people on this board.

Not only that, but most of the links that worked were actually ideological and discussing identity from a philosophical perspective or a psychological perspective. It was almost like 'these identities exist'! was the argument.

Well, no shit Sherlock. We all know that some people claim to have these identities. The question that is relevant is why should that identity be prioritised above the materially real sex class aspects of humans when sex matters.

The links were a complete failure to engage with what that poster believes that 'GC' people are campaigning for.

Yes, people are interested irl. I was talking to my DParents about the WI change of rules and they were horrified that anyone can obtain a Gender Recognition Certificate without physically changing anything!
They hadn’t realised the reality of self-id and now will be challenging family members who tell them “trans women” are women!

I think they do realise it perfectly well.

I exist.

I've noticed that my friends don't like to have to think about it, because that would require them to form an opinion and that opinion might be at least partially contrary to being the nice thinking person they want to be, they would have to mentally adjust to having friends with opposite opinions.

In two discussions recently, I got a response "but you were thinking about it!"