Lucy Whitehouse, founder and chief executive of Fumble, awarded CBE for services to teenage education about sex and gender

Yes TERFs are considered homophobic, because trans people are recognized in the acronym LGBT(trans). You can't just cherry pick a minority group out of an entire community and say you're not discriminating. Just like stating "oh I'm not racist - I just don't like Muslims" because of some of the extremist actions a very small minority. One clear cut point TERFs fail to acknowledge, is why in the world trans people would want to go through this process when it's full of nothing but discrimination and threat of bodily harm, willing to risk losing their family and friends, and employment by choosing this path? All of this rhetoric is full of stupidity, to think that trans people wouldn't want to be considered "normal" in the eyes of society, Just like gay people in general - afraid to STILL be open even after all of the general progress and acknowledgement being accomplished. Yes some people will always be clutching their pearls because it doesn't fit in their idea of what is normal, like it still hasn't been 100 years for all women 21 and over in the UK until the Equal Franchise Act of 1928. It's good though that discrimination is alive and well, because it gives the LGBT community learning that there's still a lot more education needed for the homophobia that's still rampant.

Has anyone looked at the rest of Fumbles website? It seems to want to promote any sexual activity bar vanilla sex.

Do teenagers learning about sex need to learn techniques for good oral or anal sex? Or how to masturbate? Do they need to know what rimming is? Do they need to be able to identify every sex toy going? Then theres a whole section on lube which is apparently 'crucial for safe and pleasurable sex'

Surely the above with no mention of love is not giving a realistic idea of what a healthy sexual relationships looks like for the vast majority of us adults?

They always chuck in the "same as homophobia" line to try and make what they say make sense. I wonder if she's ever spoken to a "Terf", I know the answer to that but my point is, they say we should speak to trans people and they should be centered in any balanced viewpoints. They never speak to terfs though. If the did they'd find out that we aren't homophobic, we just don't accept their inaccurate version of biology.

Yes, exactly. It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.

Will it ever be possible? I’m not sure that enough of our young people are sufficiently informed and aware of all the problems related to transgenderism and too many invested in perpetuating it. Dentons did an amazing job of strategising the whole campaign.

Don't forget paedophiles. And rapists.

And Artificial Intelligence exists, so it must be natural, right?

From a quick browse at the Charity Commission, it looks like a relatively new charity that started out very small but rapidly gained a bit of money and managed to expand. Lucy Whitehouse seems to be a bit of a go getter in terms of securing publicity and financial support.

Comparing the earlier and later annual reports - which have so many brightly-coloured upbeat takes on Fumble's activities that it's like being transported into an episode of Hi-5 - the earliest one has a sharper focus on the stated mission (give "young people" RSE resources that aren't porn) with a side reference to "LGBT+ young people" as a group of interest. The most recent is all in on trans kids as a top priority.

This is just me looking at the corporate docs, not even their content.

When Blair said he wanted far more people going to uni, did he not realise that we were going to end up with a lot of credentialled middleclass midwits in need of an income?
And here we are, not just dim, bourgeois & in posession of a BA, but now a CBE for services to obfuscation & fibbing.

Hmm. Just hmm. If you’re home schooling your children this summer, you can’t just forget about sex education | The Independent | The Independent

The thing that really jumps out at me here is the consistent use of "young people". It fits very well with the "children are just small adults" you find with certain people who want to work with and influence children, and have no concept of safeguarding.

Reading Whitehouse’s LinkedIn profile, it seems extraordinary that someone who was a beauty journalist set up a sex ed charity. No training in safeguarding, no training in education. I’d put money on her having a trans identified child.

FFS. That takes the biscuit.

Is it Starmer who made this choice? Or at least approved it. Interesting choice which perhaps says more about the chooser than the chosen.

No real hope for Lucy atm - who’s finding these beliefs to be too financially and socially rewarding to engage with critical thinking!

Yes of course.

The bottom line is that trans people exist, therefore it is natural. Gay, lesbian, bi and pan people exist, therefore it is natural. Non-binary people exist, therefore – you guessed it – it’s natural.

Cholera, typhoid and coronavirus exist – therefore it's natural! Narcissists, psychopaths and perverts exist - therefore it's natural!
Asthma, heart disease and cancer exist - therefore they are natural!
Infestation of rats, carpet beetles, clothes moths and even headlice exist – therefore it's natural!

This claim that everything natural must be right and proper is the same argument that Dr Upton used in his defence against Sandie Peggy, except he used the word "biological". "I am not a robot. I'm biological, therefore I am a Woman"

There is a bit of a fatal flaw in this so-called argument. I mean I could go on but I think I've made the point.

Undoing the march through the institutions is going to be a long, slow slog.

And Annaliese Dodds becomes a Dame. Words fail me.

Giving this child-transing grifter honours after FWS is 100% about putting two fingers up to women. Two-tier Kier is openly trolling us.

Yes, it's a horrible word.

Lots of inuendo.

Fumble

What a revolting name for this group of grifters.

They are taking the piss naming their organisation for “education” of teenagers Fumble. It sounds very condescending.

Also, if we wrote about and described GI Ideologues or TRAs in equivalent terms to the way “TERFs” were described above, we’d face “hate speech” investigations, not awarded honours!

I'll be amazed if the Lib Dem's haven't nominated Belcher

Think of the most absurd TRAs you know.

At this rate, they'll be in the House of Lords before the next election.

If we said for some alt hearing people it is important to chop their ears off people would be 'hang on a minute' but apparently when it comes to trans anything goes.

From the website’s guide to puberty:

To start off, here’s a guide to some of the changes in puberty for people with a penis and balls may experience from roughly the ages of 10 to 18.

Doesn’t even make sense! The grammar is completely off.

People with penises and balls undergo a great deal of physical growth once puberty arrives. These changes happen at different rates as everyone goes through puberty in various ways. You will start growing taller and developing muscles, especially around the chest as it grows broader.

https://fumble.org.uk/puberty-with-a-penis/

What was it trans activists say about terfs, something about the fact we keep reducing people to their body parts? How many penises and balls does one individual have? Not clear. Another snippet:

However, while wet dreams are common for people with a penis or balls going through puberty, not everyone will have one. This is no cause for concern and does not mean there is anything wrong with you or your genitals.

Now it’s people with a penis OR balls. More confusing than ever. I think this website is a load of Orwellian claptrap.

When I was writing my post suggesting that the law should stay out of people's feelings, there was a quote floating around in my memory, and now I've remembered it: Lord Coke, 1607, "No man ecclesiastical or temporal shall be examined upon secret thoughts of his heart or of his secret opinion"

What you feel is your own business, and you have freedom to think and feel what you like, but it's not the business of the law to enshrine this person's feelings as opposed to - and in conflict with - that person's feelings.

See- I can always come up with some kind of flourish from Coke or Burke to make it look like I know what I'm talking about😁

Because for some trans people, that's important.

That's the problem with "trans": it doesn't mean anything anymore. It covers literally everyone who isn't "cisgender", with "cisgender" defined as:
a. feels like they have a gender identity
b. this gender identity aligns with their sex.

As demonstrated on other threads, this definition means that quite a few women on this board could in fact fit within the trans category, since they don't feel like they have a gender identity to begin with!

So basically: is trans or not whoever wishes to be or not. And for some trans people, a physical transition is a wish, but not for others. At this point, I'm awaiting the first person asking for a transition while still claiming the label "cisgender". I mean, why not??