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storminabuttercup · 25/12/2025 18:46

Didn’t spot another thread on this, apologies if I missed it

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/trans-people-women-supreme-court-judgment-b2876522.html?fbclid=IwdGRleAO6Y9xleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAo2NjI4NTY4Mzc5AAEe56qoZcRdbDqi36-PZWkCNiPH16I-3YJWbeNJiuE5wKqklApVXsUq9rCZ108_aem_VJsqSP9QToVms8o846jdFg

as I scrolled I thought it was about non British nationals who are getting some awful hatred at the min, (which is frankly sickening) but it’s just people who have had biology explained to them, poor loves

‘I live in a country that hates me’: What’s next for trans people in the UK?

In April, the UK’s highest court ruled that the legal definition of a woman should be based on biological sex. Nicole Wootton-Cane speaks to five transgender Britons about how they feel the decision has affected their lives, and what comes next

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/trans-people-women-supreme-court-judgment-b2876522.html?fbclid=IwdGRleAO6Y9xleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAo2NjI4NTY4Mzc5AAEe56qoZcRdbDqi36-PZWkCNiPH16I-3YJWbeNJiuE5wKqklApVXsUq9rCZ108_aem_VJsqSP9QToVms8o846jdFg

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MarvellousMonsters · 25/12/2025 23:06

FrippEnos · 25/12/2025 23:04

But there is no evidence that any of this heckling and abuse is happening in large numbers (not that it should be happening at all), and even less evidence about who is supposidly doing it.

It doesn't help that seemingly most of the "abuse" is what should be discussion points around the facts of biology.

Exactly.

FrippEnos · 25/12/2025 23:04

MarvellousMonsters · 25/12/2025 22:43

It makes it sound like they are all being chased down the road by mobs with pitchforks everytime to set foot out the door. Are there any actual stats on attacks etc, especially stats of attacks on TiMs compared to women?

I’m not diminishing how it feels to be heckled and abused, it’s not ok and shouldn’t happen to anyone, ever. However I think it’s worth acknowledging that the perpetrators of this kind of abuse are generally men. Once again, the problem is male behaviour. Maybe the TiMs could focus their considerable campaigning clout on improving the behaviour of men, instead of expecting women to protect them.

But there is no evidence that any of this heckling and abuse is happening in large numbers (not that it should be happening at all), and even less evidence about who is supposidly doing it.

It doesn't help that seemingly most of the "abuse" is what should be discussion points around the facts of biology.

MarvellousMonsters · 25/12/2025 22:43

PruthePrune · 25/12/2025 22:27

I was playing hyperbole bingo whilst reading that. It mentioned, safety, terror and of course suicidality. They sound like foot stamping teenagers.

It makes it sound like they are all being chased down the road by mobs with pitchforks everytime to set foot out the door. Are there any actual stats on attacks etc, especially stats of attacks on TiMs compared to women?

I’m not diminishing how it feels to be heckled and abused, it’s not ok and shouldn’t happen to anyone, ever. However I think it’s worth acknowledging that the perpetrators of this kind of abuse are generally men. Once again, the problem is male behaviour. Maybe the TiMs could focus their considerable campaigning clout on improving the behaviour of men, instead of expecting women to protect them.

PruthePrune · 25/12/2025 22:27

I was playing hyperbole bingo whilst reading that. It mentioned, safety, terror and of course suicidality. They sound like foot stamping teenagers.

1984Now · 25/12/2025 20:15

If I was part of a selfish group that saw 51% of the population having to jump thru hoops on their behalf, and a govt who refuse to roll.out the law as laid out by the highest court in the land, the last thing I'd do is bitch about my life 24/7.
Only one group deserve to bitch about how societal elites have waived their rights away, and we know who they are.

Justme56 · 25/12/2025 20:00

Life’s tough when you have to stick to the rules everyone else does.

moto748e · 25/12/2025 19:28

MarieDeGournay · 25/12/2025 19:17

Not even a hint of balance in the article. Will there be a matching GC one?😒

Well, it's the Indy, what do you expect? They are the worst. Or the last, if you'd like to be a little more optimistic. Maybe a transwoman carrying a copy of the Indy could be admitted to the women's loos? Let The Nice Ones In.

MarieDeGournay · 25/12/2025 19:17

Not even a hint of balance in the article. Will there be a matching GC one?😒

storminabuttercup · 25/12/2025 18:55

1984Now · 25/12/2025 18:51

If the UK govt is taken to the ECHR and this overrules the SC verdict, expect this to be an absolute wedge issue at the GE.
No way I vote for any party that is happy to let this lie, I'll be voting for either Reform or the Tories, whoever is best placed locally to win.
Leftist GC women voters, quite a few on here, will have some real thinking and soul searching to do.

Agree completely, I’m a lefty, a unionist, was years ago an elected member for labour. I’m politically homeless, I suspect there’s a lot of us

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1984Now · 25/12/2025 18:51

If the UK govt is taken to the ECHR and this overrules the SC verdict, expect this to be an absolute wedge issue at the GE.
No way I vote for any party that is happy to let this lie, I'll be voting for either Reform or the Tories, whoever is best placed locally to win.
Leftist GC women voters, quite a few on here, will have some real thinking and soul searching to do.