Has anyone left their spouse over GC views / pro-Islam stance

Still no refuting of the infographic. Would the refusal to engage with the statistic presented or check out the explanation at the source yourself be the case if the infographic was from Stonewall or GLAAD? It wouldn’t, would it, because you assume GC feminists lie and genderist orgs tell the truth. Your bias.

I’m sure you know how google works and can check out the linked sources yourself to your satisfaction if you want to. Anyway, I can’t take the flailing seriously.

I can tell you from my knowledge that vis a vis England and Wales the only dubious figure is the “trans woman” census figure, because the ONS made a complete pigs ear of the gender identity section to pander to genderists. But hey ho that’s the official figure, they’ve never withdrawn it 🤷‍♀️

I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong, I'm asking for actual information. I didn't just jump on her post, she replied to mine with these images, and I have asked her, again, for actual information.

Pointing out that a statistic in an infographic can be easily manipulated to say anything you want is not 'disapproval', or avoiding dealing with it. It is an accurate point.

I want facts, not to prove her wrong. Although, I can't actually do that if she won't provide any facts in the first place.

@1984Now yep. And it is a case of flailing about, to avoid engaging with that.

It's the most preposterous argument. Men are, what, 40-50x more liable to commit violent/sexual crime than women.
So many of those men, pro rata, are in prison.
TIM prisoners held in women's prisons are almost to a man (pun intended) guilty of violent sex offences.
And women are going to be told there is no more risk of TIMs being a threat to them than women pro rata in the general population.
More mind games and deliberate obfuscation.

In actual fact it’s very obvious that men who identify as women are more dangerous than actual women, and it would certainly constitute an extraordinary claim needing evidence that by the simple act of calling himself a woman, a man renders himself less dangerous. Because that is what a “trans woman” is, a male who identifies as a woman. No more, no less.

No, you haven’t been given “trust me bro”, you’ve been given an infographic with a link to the author’s Substack. Why not read it?

If you want to claim that there is no difference in sex offending between women and men who identify as women, why not work out the hypothetical male trans population which would be needed in order to equalise that convicted sex offender figure for women, 4 per million population?

Also, why don’t you follow the links and verify or refute the official information yourself? An infographic was provided for you, a perfectly reasonable means of delivering data, and your own bias is crystal clear.

i await your demonstration that the government figures given, which you can find links to at the author’s Substack, are incorrect. Prove her wrong, if you can. Instead of hiding behind the way the statistic is presented to you and your disapproval of the source to avoid dealing with it.

I'm not denying anything. I'm asking for actual, factual information that is verifiable. All I've been given so far on this thread is 'trust me bro', with absolutely no context.

I have seen nothing that demonstrates transgender people are more dangerous.

Then give those actual sources, since that is what I asked for. Instead of giving actual links to actual data sources, you've given pictures. You must understand that anyone can make an infographic with a stat in it to make a point, whether those stats are taken out of context or not. You must understand that this is why people want to see actual data, and not the pictures you have supplied.

I am not claiming it is some sort of conspiracy by the 'prison department'. I am asking for actual evidence to support what you are saying, and you have not provided it.

I resent the implication that my question is not in good faith. I am not 'flailing about', I am asking you for factual information, not a picture.

You've just answered your own question there. The hijab unsettles you. So your assumptions are based on what you see and think. Im a Muslim woman who doesn't wear the hijab. I haven't been forced to wear one and I won't be forced to wear one either. Im 40 years old with 2 girls who dont wear the hijab and a son. I love my faith and absolutely have no pressure to wear the hijab or have 'men' who will force me or my daughters. I have a husband,brothers,brother in laws and a dad. Who again haven't forced anything on us.

I asked OP whether she feels the same about Jewish men at least twice and she ignored my question and focussed only on Islam.

Orthodox Jews account for around 1 in 7 of Jewish people worldwide. Admittedly this proportion is growing due to their relatively far higher birth rate. But this still means that today, the large majority of Jewish women (and girls) do not cover their hair.

Most people, I strongly believe, have the same response to an orthodox Jewish woman covering her hair as to a Muslim woman. Some won't care, or even strongly approve. But many will see both as evidence of a male misogynistic and controlling religious-based practice.

I am ethnically Indian. I grew up in Malaysia a majority Muslim country and retain a number of Muslim female friends. Islam like all religions can be used to oppress women, but there are also Christian and indeed Hindu groups which can be misogynistic and homophobic. The vast majority of Muslims I know do not fall into this category and most Muslim women living in Muslim communities do not feel oppressed and seeing head covering as some form of massive abuse seems very odd indeed. I think we need to focus more on tolerance and inclusion rather than looking for things that might divide us.

The E&W one is based on the number of “trans women” as self declared in the 2021 census as the men who identify as women population. It’s not a figure the website made up. The sex offenders in prison figure comes from a government report. The male figure is the adult male population compared to the number of male sex offenders in prison. They are all based on official figures whether you want to deny it or not.

Are you equally disturbed by orthodox jewish women who cover their hair?

The sources are prison data! And census. Are you really saying the Department of Corrections is 'biased'? The census is 'biased'?

Be honest here; you banked on us women not having the receipts and your question was not genuine, it was not in good faith. Now you are flailing about, desperately trying to claim it's some conspiracy by the PRISON DEPARTMENT. 🙄 You simply refuse to believe it and are making up excuses why the trajectory over not one but four (4) countries is the same.

There are many Islamic scholars and they do not all say the same thing.

That’s the problem with religion - the different man made interpretations.

All scholars, or some? If only some, why do you feel that viewpoint overrides the majority?

Yes, they have links in them. Links to websites which are already ideologically predisposed to a certain opinion. These graphics are not necessarily factual information.

To ensure that information is factual you need to be sure of the source, which is why I asked for peer reviewed studies or official statistics (which these are not).

If you take information from a biased source, you need to be sure of where THEY have got their information from, and be sure that they are presenting it in an accurate and responsible way. You appear to have no way of verifying this information, and no wish to.

As appealing as the information in these pictures is to you, it doesn't appear to be verified or factual.

Some men commit sexual crimes so they are kept out of women spaces. Its a blanket policy to exclude all men, sexual predators or not. Transwomen are men so the exclusion still applies. Transwomen are saying they 'feel' like a woman so they aren't a threat. Doesn't work like that. Dave down the road, probably doesn't feel like he wants to commit sexual crimes either but that doesn't mean he can come in because all men are excluded

Islam teaches the hijab is optional and after puberty

That is not what Islamic scholars say. They say it is compulsory. Are they lying?

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I think you need glasses. They are all in print at the bottom of the images, bar Canada. Here I have highlighted the data (even URL LINKS written on them!) in a purple or green box on each.

I personally think you are extremely racist and Islamophobic. And I think you are in the wrong and your husband is not. Probably you should leave him, to give him a better chance to live with someone less phobic.

That's because trans sex offenders are male sex offenders, offending at precisely the same rate as men...because they are men.
That's just one of many reasons they have no right to be in women's spaces, women offending at way lower rated than men.