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Has anyone left their spouse over GC views / pro-Islam stance

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PinkTreeFrog · 25/12/2025 13:47

Husband and I could never find common ground on gender critical views and his blindness to the harms of Islam to women. He has an inability to take in information that contradicts his world view. Has anyone left a spouse over this?

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/12/2025 01:23

YesIReallyDidOK · 26/12/2025 00:52

What she provided was not actual evidence, however much you feel it was. I asked for factual evidence of her claims.

I am not misrepresenting my own posts, but if you are determined to misunderstand there is nothing I can do about that.

If you’re determined to hide behind your dislike of GC women and their websites and blogs to have an excuse not to bother to check further before dismissing their work, there’s not much anyone can do about that.

You can access all the info yourself.

Greyskybluesky · 26/12/2025 01:21

SouthernNights59 · 26/12/2025 01:07

Personally I think your husband is going to have a lucky escape!

Yes, he will certainly be free to find someone more keen to stroke his ego and not raise any difficult questions about the status of women and girls in the world.

BettyBooper · 26/12/2025 01:09

SouthernNights59 · 26/12/2025 01:07

Personally I think your husband is going to have a lucky escape!

Why?

SouthernNights59 · 26/12/2025 01:07

Personally I think your husband is going to have a lucky escape!

BettyBooper · 26/12/2025 01:00

YesIReallyDidOK · 26/12/2025 00:52

What she provided was not actual evidence, however much you feel it was. I asked for factual evidence of her claims.

I am not misrepresenting my own posts, but if you are determined to misunderstand there is nothing I can do about that.

Literally look up yougov figures. Very easy.

Or even use your brain slightly.

Do you really believe that a man who says he's a woman actually is a woman? Honestly?

BettyBooper · 26/12/2025 00:56

Whatwerewetalkingabout · 26/12/2025 00:21

I'm curious if transphobia is a gateway drug to Islamaphobia or if Islamaphobia is a gateway drug to transphobia. 😬

If understanding that people can't change sex is 'transphobic' and also believing that radical islam is harmful to women is 'islamaphobic' then, meh, you may have a point.

Guess I took that gateway drug.... 😬

YesIReallyDidOK · 26/12/2025 00:52

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/12/2025 00:11

She did. If you doubt the accuracy, you go look them up using the links provided. And yes, you have, you literally used the words “trust me bro”. Why are you misrepresenting your own posts?

What she provided was not actual evidence, however much you feel it was. I asked for factual evidence of her claims.

I am not misrepresenting my own posts, but if you are determined to misunderstand there is nothing I can do about that.

1984Now · 26/12/2025 00:46

RatWrangler · 26/12/2025 00:38

Hi. I've never posted before, only been reading here for a few months, so not sure if I'm doing this correctly. For evidence of trans crime rates there are these.

https://usa.kpssinfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/BOP-Transgender-Inmate-Report-2025-01832.pdf and

https://archive.ph/sfjVM

Yes this info is shared by KPSS and the Telegraph, but the stats were provided by the United States Bureau of Prisons and the Ministry of Justice. You can see from the US stats that trans men (female) are more likely to be imprisoned for drug offences and that trans women (male) are more likely to be in for sex offences. I used to have links to reports that showed similar rates of offending in trans prisoners in another country, (I think it was either Canada or Australia), but struggling to find them. I will go back to lurking now.

Even here you can see the absolute male/female binary.
Transmen who may have spent years training to "be male", really believe it, have had medicalisation and surgery, "live their authentic selves", have everyone around them affirm them...when it comes right down to it, they go to prison for all the reasons that every woman who goes to prison, goes for.
Transwomen, ditto the list above, mimic identically the male cohort aberrant behaviour pattern and actions that every other man goes in for, even more accentuated at the aberrant end of the cohort.

PinkTreeFrog · 26/12/2025 00:45

Whatwerewetalkingabout · 26/12/2025 00:21

I'm curious if transphobia is a gateway drug to Islamaphobia or if Islamaphobia is a gateway drug to transphobia. 😬

Am I not in the feminist sub? This is perplexing. Trans and Islamism are both antithetical to women's rights.

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1984Now · 26/12/2025 00:41

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/12/2025 00:14

Absolutely. And because government data collection is so piss poor and captured, people hide behind this to make claims that there is no “evidence” that their pet group of men poses at least equal risk to women than other members of the male sex. God of the Gaps.

I'm afraid total lack of transparency on data also applies to ethnic figures re crime on illegal migration. There is maximum obfuscation on journalists across the Right of politics being able to easily find the data on eg sex crimes for ethnicities and sub groups within ethnicities. And trans component of offences in women's prisons.
There is a "war on noticing", Starmer and the whole of the bearacratic state will not play ball on data. But as each week goes on, journalists dig in harder and the figures become too blinding to ignore.
And don't get me started on the weaponised silence over decades on ethnic based grooming gangs
The days of "not noticing" are over.
By the end of next year Reform and the Tories will be pushing 60% of the combined vote.
Rather than trust the public, the public are treated as irritants to only be talked in a friendly fashion at GE time.
The rest of the time, women and kids are treated by the Left in power as collateral damage in the drive to a neo liberal technocratic future.
Women, and the rest of us (men like me) only given data on trans crimes against women in prison and at large against women & the ethnic component of rising sexual crime at large, by Right journalists prising open the fingers of the dead state.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/12/2025 00:39

That’s great, @RatWrangler- thank you.

RatWrangler · 26/12/2025 00:38

Hi. I've never posted before, only been reading here for a few months, so not sure if I'm doing this correctly. For evidence of trans crime rates there are these.

https://usa.kpssinfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/BOP-Transgender-Inmate-Report-2025-01832.pdf and

https://archive.ph/sfjVM

Yes this info is shared by KPSS and the Telegraph, but the stats were provided by the United States Bureau of Prisons and the Ministry of Justice. You can see from the US stats that trans men (female) are more likely to be imprisoned for drug offences and that trans women (male) are more likely to be in for sex offences. I used to have links to reports that showed similar rates of offending in trans prisoners in another country, (I think it was either Canada or Australia), but struggling to find them. I will go back to lurking now.

https://usa.kpssinfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/BOP-Transgender-Inmate-Report-2025-01832.pdf

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/12/2025 00:36

People who know men aren’t women have a range of other beliefs, both left leaning and right, because it’s common knowledge and the majority view 🤷‍♀️

Whatwerewetalkingabout · 26/12/2025 00:21

I'm curious if transphobia is a gateway drug to Islamaphobia or if Islamaphobia is a gateway drug to transphobia. 😬

PinkTreeFrog · 26/12/2025 00:14

YourDearDreamer · 25/12/2025 22:13

You've just answered your own question there. The hijab unsettles you. So your assumptions are based on what you see and think. Im a Muslim woman who doesn't wear the hijab. I haven't been forced to wear one and I won't be forced to wear one either. Im 40 years old with 2 girls who dont wear the hijab and a son. I love my faith and absolutely have no pressure to wear the hijab or have 'men' who will force me or my daughters. I have a husband,brothers,brother in laws and a dad. Who again haven't forced anything on us.

How do you know that will continue to be the case when in places like Iran (legally) and Malaysia (culturally) it has become mandatory?

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/12/2025 00:14

1984Now · 26/12/2025 00:11

We're expected to believe that transwomen who being men, at 40-50x more violent/sexually violent than women, suddenly don't present that threat because they're women. Because they feel they are. Because they say they are. Because leftist elites and transmaidens contend they are.
Not simply that these men ID as women, but that they are women, which would mean a 1:1 correspondence re violence/sexual violence between these men and the 97% of women that aren't in any way violent/actually violent.
But this fantasy isn't true.
We've all seen the stats...highlighted particularly by Helen Joyce and Kara Dansky, and published by prison authorities and various Home Offices.
That the vast majority of TIMs in the female prison population are violent/sexual offenders.
They correpond exactly to the proportion of violent/sexually violent male prisoners you'd find in any male prison.
You only have to peruse Reduxx for 30 minutes for any scales you might have on your eyelids to drop away like lead weights.

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Absolutely. And because government data collection is so piss poor and captured, people hide behind this to make claims that there is no “evidence” that their pet group of men poses at least equal risk to women than other members of the male sex. God of the Gaps.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/12/2025 00:11

YesIReallyDidOK · 25/12/2025 23:51

I haven't implied anything, or claimed anything of the sort. I have asked someone to provide actual evidence of their claims.

She did. If you doubt the accuracy, you go look them up using the links provided. And yes, you have, you literally used the words “trust me bro”. Why are you misrepresenting your own posts?

1984Now · 26/12/2025 00:11

We're expected to believe that transwomen who being men, at 40-50x more violent/sexually violent than women, suddenly don't present that threat because they're women. Because they feel they are. Because they say they are. Because leftist elites and transmaidens contend they are.
Not simply that these men ID as women, but that they are women, which would mean a 1:1 correspondence re violence/sexual violence between these men and the 97% of women that aren't in any way violent/actually violent.
But this fantasy isn't true.
We've all seen the stats...highlighted particularly by Helen Joyce and Kara Dansky, and published by prison authorities and various Home Offices.
That the vast majority of TIMs in the female prison population are violent/sexual offenders.
They correpond exactly to the proportion of violent/sexually violent male prisoners you'd find in any male prison.
You only have to peruse Reduxx for 30 minutes for any scales you might have on your eyelids to drop away like lead weights.

LilyCanna · 25/12/2025 23:57

PinkTreeFrog · 25/12/2025 18:30

What rights have been stripped away? Are you familiar with the legal aspects of Roe vs. Wade and how it was not codified for over 30 years?

Do you really think that restricting or banning abortion in (I think so far) 19 states isn’t harming American women and removing basic rights, especially those who have died along with their unborn child because doctors have refused to provide medical care?
https://www.propublica.org/series/life-of-the-mother
And there’s the Republican USAID cuts. Obviously these are deadly across the board to men, women and particularly children - I’ve seen estimates of half a million killed so far from withdrawal of food and vital medical services, and 14 million deaths predicted in total if they are not reversed. But there is a particular goal of preventing women around the world accessing reproductive healthcare and contraception.
So yes, religious ideology can be a huge threat to women, and the alliance between Christian fundamentalism and the current Republican Party is a clear example of that,

Life of the Mother Archives

When the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in 2022, doctors warned that women would die, but lawmakers who passed state abortion bans didn’t listen. The worst consequences are now becoming clear.

https://www.propublica.org/series/life-of-the-mother

YesIReallyDidOK · 25/12/2025 23:51

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/12/2025 23:14

Why don’t you get it yourself? You keep claiming she hasn’t provided anything other than “trust me bro”. She has, she’s provided an infographic. Yes, all infographics could be lying, but it’s a valid way of presenting data, and it’s not particularly uncommon to use two different datasets to calculate statistics. Your implied claim that “trans women” as a group statistically pose less risk to women than other men is pretty indefensible, and you know it, or you would be able to back it up.

I haven't implied anything, or claimed anything of the sort. I have asked someone to provide actual evidence of their claims.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/12/2025 23:14

Why don’t you get it yourself? You keep claiming she hasn’t provided anything other than “trust me bro”. She has, she’s provided an infographic. Yes, all infographics could be lying, but it’s a valid way of presenting data, and it’s not particularly uncommon to use two different datasets to calculate statistics. Your implied claim that “trans women” as a group statistically pose less risk to women than other men is pretty indefensible, and you know it, or you would be able to back it up.

YesIReallyDidOK · 25/12/2025 23:08

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/12/2025 22:52

Still no refuting of the infographic. Would the refusal to engage with the statistic presented or check out the explanation at the source yourself be the case if the infographic was from Stonewall or GLAAD? It wouldn’t, would it, because you assume GC feminists lie and genderist orgs tell the truth. Your bias.

I’m sure you know how google works and can check out the linked sources yourself to your satisfaction if you want to. Anyway, I can’t take the flailing seriously.

I can tell you from my knowledge that vis a vis England and Wales the only dubious figure is the “trans woman” census figure, because the ONS made a complete pigs ear of the gender identity section to pander to genderists. But hey ho that’s the official figure, they’ve never withdrawn it 🤷‍♀️

Why would I refute something I didn't ask for, and that is not relevant? I asked for facts from proper sources, and I don't understand why that is difficult to provide. I also don't understand why you have assumed what my entire belief system, opinions, and biases are based solely on my asking for factual evidence of something.

Hosoan · 25/12/2025 23:08

Your views re Islam and Muslim people, OP, are so far along the path of generalisation and assumption that they are veering towards offensive.

KitWyn · 25/12/2025 22:57

Judgejudysno1fan · 25/12/2025 18:06

Tell me the western values that dont go with burka. What about freedom and a lady wearing what she chooses. Yes, you might not see her face. But I dont think anyone died on the spot because they couldn't see a woman covering ups face.
I personally wouldn't want to wear the burka. Its not just for me but if my fellow sister wanted to wear it and that's her choice, do I really care, is my life affected by it, am I going to lose money or win money...no.

I think you need to work on why youre so upset with hijab not why women wear it. I wear it and it was my choice to wear one year after reverting to islam. I wish I wore it sooner. I feel free and liberated.and I can show my hair to any woman I want to in privacy. All women are beautiful and unique in their own way and ig they dont want men looking at their hair, then they are free to cover it. The bible says cover your hair or shave it off in the old Testament.

The majority of the very small number of UK women who convert to islam each year, do so largely for a Muslim man they are romantically interested in. This is unsurprising as Islam is very misogynistic.

Who would want to join a religion where you're not even allowed in the main prayer hall, and can never ever be a priest, just because you don't have a penis and Y-chromosome? Why should those irrelevant aspects matter at all to an all-knowing/powerful/loving God? Can women not sufficiently learn/understand/speak the religious texts? And can they not be sufficiently good, wise, charismatic & brave? Do women not matter as much in Islam because they are considered inferior and so may only follow/watch/obey the men?

The reverting (not converting) aspect is odd. Believing all humans are born Muslim, so a convert is merely returning to the 'one true and definitely final faith' is not very respectful. We live in a multifaith and no-faith society. We don't impose our religion on people we don't know. It's very rude.

Requiring women to always cover their hair to be 'modest' and avoid attracting male attention implies that men are unable to control themselves. It's very controlling of women and very insulting of men.

The Old Testament also forbids eating shellfish and wearing clothes made from two different fibres. One of the benefits of Christianity is it doesn't claim perfection. And I understand from Christian friends that the teachings of the New Testament are considered paramount. The Old Testament is more for context.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/12/2025 22:54

YesIReallyDidOK · 25/12/2025 22:38

I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong, I'm asking for actual information. I didn't just jump on her post, she replied to mine with these images, and I have asked her, again, for actual information.

Pointing out that a statistic in an infographic can be easily manipulated to say anything you want is not 'disapproval', or avoiding dealing with it. It is an accurate point.

I want facts, not to prove her wrong. Although, I can't actually do that if she won't provide any facts in the first place.

She did provide facts, and sources, you’ve just decided they must be wrong.