Has anyone left their spouse over GC views / pro-Islam stance

It is pretty clear in the New Testament that Jesus did not treat women in the ways that might have been expected according to the customs, laws and mores of those times.

They were also among the followers of Jesus, not just sequestered at home with their husband or male relatives.

And this - Quote: " Elsewhere Jesus says the Law is replaced by a new commandment : Love one another as I have loved you.".

Where in the Bible does it say this ? What verse of the Bible says Jesus replaced all 613 Mosaic commandments with that single line ? I know the Bible fairly well, and I have never seen that bit.

@RedTagAlan
Jesus said it at the Last Supper.

John 13 KJV
A New Command I Give to You

34A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Couple of things. It's a bit of a leap to say women were prohibited from preaching because they already were preaching. Nah.

And this - Quote: " Elsewhere Jesus says the Law is replaced by a new commandment : Love one another as I have loved you.".

Where in the Bible does it say this ? What verse of the Bible says Jesus replaced all 613 Mosaic commandments with that single line ? I know the Bible fairly well, and I have never seen that bit.

He did supposedly say this though. Mat 5:17-20 " Do not suppose that I came to throw down the Law or the ProphetsI did not come to throw down, but to fulfill; for truly I say to you, until the heaven and the earth may pass away, one iota or one tittle may not pass away from the Law, until all may come to pass. Therefore whoever may loose one of these commandsthe least--and may teach men so, he will be called least in the kingdom of the heavens, but whoever may do and may teach [them], he will be called great in the kingdom of the heavens. For I say to you that if your righteousness may not abound above that of the scribes and Pharisees, you may not enter into the kingdom of the heavens."(LSV)

"one iota or one tittle may not pass away from the Law, until all may come to pass."

All may come to pass ? I suspect that is the Rapture he described in Matt 24. The coming of the son of man. It's the same Gospel after all. The end of days. The Tribulation.

But there is a problem there, because earlier, in Mat 16:28 he said "Truly I say to you, there are certain of those standing here who will not taste of death until they may see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." (LSV)

That was 2.5k years ago. So far as I know, the disciples are all dead.

So yup, where is this : Elsewhere Jesus says the Law is replaced by a new commandment : Love one another as I have loved you." ?

Edit: correct format error.

All but one are from St Paul who never met Jesus. He complains about women leading worship , which means women were leading worship. Elsewhere Jesus says the Law is replaced by a new commandment : Love one another as I have loved you.

Yes, that's what people struggle with understanding - that it's not illegal to be racist, homophobic, transphobic etc because as you say you cannot police people's thoughts and opinions.
It's when they act on those beliefs by discriminating etc that it becomes illegal.
Seen people on here totally not understand that when it's pointed out.

There are, sadly, very few female 'imams', and these are largely (all?) strictly limited to leading prayers for women, girls and very young children only. Women preaching to men is still verboten in Islam.

Women and girls are commonly banned from a Mosque's main prayer hall, and are instead relegated to small, airless rooms with a loudspeaker system. If both sexes are present in the same space, women will be required to pray some distance behind the men. Or even be encouraged to stay and pray at home.

All Abrahamic religions are misogynistic, that's agreed. But Islam is lagging far behind mainstream Christianity and Judaism in allowing women to take leadership roles with power and influence over men. Women vicars and women rabbi are much, much, more common, uncontroversial and widely accepted than women imams.

I do see a great deal of coercive control, violence, misogyny and homophobia, woven through all ancient religious texts. However, Christianity and Judaism, are, at least, open to change this. Islam appears much more stuck in its ways, seemingly fearful that the whole thing might unravel by pulling on any one thread.

Escaping religious indoctrination is very hard. Leaving Islam will, even in the developed world, likely mean the loss of many friends, family and status in the community. In other countries, apostasy is a serious crime punishable by prison or even a death sentence.

But if I were Muslim I would leave the religion if not for myself but for my daughters' well-being and happiness. They deserve to be able to study, work and earn the right to have power and influence over men at home, in business or when praying.

Often the smartest/bravest/most charismatic person in the home, workplace or prayer hall will be a woman. Any religion that can't accept that is not the religion for me.

It is not illegal to be homophobic. Any more than it is illegal to be Christophobic, Islamophobic, anti-atheist, anti-theist, antisemitic, anti-wicca, etc. You cannot legislate how people think. It is not illegal to have thoughts and beliefs. What is illegal, is to act on those beliefs ie where it is illegal to do such as the Racial Discrimination Acts.

NB: I myself am not at all homophobic, I am simply making the point that thoughts and beliefs are not illegal.

I think that poster has taken you saying
As for being gay be it my brother or sister Muslims,Christians and other faiths do not allow gays. So why target Islam

as you yourself saying that you "don't allow gays" when I don't read it like that at all - more that you're saying Christianity amongst others say that, so why does everyone fixate on Muslims but not say Christians for example?
Can't see where you've expressed your personal opinion on being gay at all.

Sorry to step on your toes :-)

If you don't know, there are loads of vids online where folk are quizzed on the street. Is this verse from the Quaran or the Bible. The reactions are quite funny.

The Bible is a really horrific book. And amusingly, US Republicans get caught out when they make laws banning obscene material :-)

Bible removed from schools after new law banning 'sexually explicit' books 'backfires' - The Mirror

Of course, The Quaran aint great either, but I don't know it. I tried reading it a couple of times but just could not keep an interest.

Where was i being a homophobic? Ive just what I believe in. Have i mentioned anything derogatory or given the impression that i am a danger to homosexuals? No. I simply said I don't believe in it. If you do or are gay that's upto the individual. It doesn't bother me. What does bother me is when you accuse me of homophobia! Live and let live.

Thats your views and I totally respect them. But me being a Muslim I think its wrong. I just think we can all think for ourselves and im not imposing my beliefs or opinions on others. Same way noone can change mine. At the end of the day gays are humans too. If they are respectful and kind like any other sexual orientated person thats enough for me. Its not for me to judge but like I said each to their own. This thread was about OP wanting to leave her partner about his views. Then it was about her daughter who she didnt feel comfortable as the women wear a hijab. It must the men forcing the women. Its up to her if she wants to leave or work on her relationship but please I simply ask not to use us muslims. What have we got to with her relationship? I think I've said thats all to say on the matter. Have a lovely day.

Exactly what I was trying to say! Thank you for putting it so eloquently. I just think whatever religion follow or not follow, just be kind and let others live like they would want to, as long as they're not hurting each other.

The Christian Bible forbids it though (being gay). Says gay men should be stoned to death.

Leviticus 20:13 " and a man who lies with a male as one lies with a woman--both of them have done an abomination; they are certainly put to death; their blood [is] on them.". (LSV)

I think that is the point @YourDearDreamer was making. The Quaran might be bad towards gay folk, but so is the Bible. And that's not really a whataboutism, because Muslims can be moderate, just as Christians can be. Just being a Muslim does not mean full membership of ISIS, same as how being Christian does not mean full membership of Westboro Baptists.

And moderate Christians can't really ignore the anti gay aspect of their religion by saying " we are not like Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia", because plenty of Christian African nations have been enacting anti gay laws, including the death sentence.

Ugandan court upholds anti-gay law that allows the death penalty in some cases | AP News

And this is being led in part by US evangelicals, or so it appears.

Exporting extremism: Backed by U.S. Christian Nationalist groups, African nations are enacting a wave of oppressive anti-LGBTQ+ laws - Americans United (au.org)

Thing is, moderate Christians can't just handwave the biblical anti gay laws away with a " context" or " out of date" shrug. Because there are nations using the very same book to enact new laws to persecute, and execute, gays.

I could say " why are all Christians not winding these Christian extremists in ?

I am atheist myself. A Christian apostate. And guess what. Jesus himself says I should get the death penalty. Not for the apostasy, but for having persuaded people away from Christ. That's in Mat 18:6 , Mark 9:42, Luke 17:1.

Sample here, Mat 18:6 " and whoever may cause to stumble one of those little ones who are believing in Me, it is better for him that a weighty millstone may be hanged on his neck, and he may be sunk in the depth of the sea." (LSV)

So, saying "that religion is bad", while ignoring that the one is also bad, reminds me of that thing Jesus said. Mat 7:5 "Hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to cast out the speck out of your brother's eye." (LSV)

Hey, I am not accusing anyone of anything here. Just quoting the bible.

There is nothing ' wrong' with being gay. Even if you follow a religion that teaches you this, why not think for yourself!? Homophobia is illegal.Where is the kindness and tolerance you speak of as it's not in much evidence here.

It’s a hot topic and very relevant in world and U.K. affairs today. Women get murdered for not wearing them or full body coverings in some parts of the world so it’s disingenuous to not understand why some people feel they are a sign of oppression or compare them to nuns- yes it’s a choice but some women don’t get that choice. I couldn’t believe it when they made a statue celebrating National Hijab Day when women are literally being beaten to death over it.

Were they forced by the men to not to wear one or did they just decide not to wear it. As the Op likes to point out of a Muslim woman god forbid wants to wear a headscarf its the man forcing her but if someone else does it. Noone bats an eyelid.

Were they forced by the men to not to wear one or did they just decide not to wear it. As the Op likes to point out of a Muslim woman god forbid wants to wear a headscarf its the man forcing her but if someone else does it. Noone bats an eyelid.

I DO NOT WEAR THE HIJAB! is that clear for you? And as for you asking me if I've read quran. I don't need you to google stuff and just copy and paste on here. How condescending are you? Ive just given my opinion on what I believe and what I've been brought up with. No one has forced anything on me. As for being gay be it my brother or sister. Muslims,Christians and other faiths do not allow gays. So why target Islam. And as for someone to ALLOW ME to my daughters or sons wedding. IF I WANTED TO I would but me being brought up and like you said I have read my own book and if it states its not allowed. I wouldn't. I am not opressed or forced by any man. The question the Op has asked is about her partners views. Simple leave him or try and work it out BUT PLEASE enough of the Muslim bashing. Its getting tiring now. Move on.

Have you read your own Holy Book in your own language? The Quran includes many clear demands for violence against non-believers.

Quran 9:5 instructs to 'slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush'; and 2:191 includes 'And kill them wherever you find them'.

There are many more such passages. Islam is not tolerant, it requires submission and obedience, or the punishment is death.

Be honest.

• If you stopped wearing the hijab, would your family and community support this change?

• Are you really free to leave Islam and convert to another religion? Or would there be severe consequences for you and your family?

• Would you be able to stay friends with someone who has left Islam?

• How would you react if your adult son told you he wanted to convert to Judaism? Would you support him? If not, why not?

• If your adult daughter wanted to marry a non-Muslim man, and not require him to convert to Islam first, would you be allowed to support her choices and attend their wedding?

• If your brother came out as gay, would you and your family have to reject him?

By answering the above questions, this will help show how tolerant Islam is, or isn't, of non-believers and women's and gay rights.

Many nuns still wear headscarves. It hasn’t “disappeared”.

This photo of the Dominican sisters is from yesterday on their Facebook page.

This article is from the 27th of December and I’ve included her photo as well
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/268601/from-despair-to-serenity-the-italian-nun-saving-women-from-human-trafficking

and many many photos of the nuns that gathered for the Papal Conclave earlier in 2025
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/religion/conclave-nuns-sistine-chapel-vatican-city-women-new-pope-rcna205585

Not all catholic women have. Many orthodox women still do.

The point is that in all there is a tradition of head covering and for all when in a modern, western country women chose to wear a headscarf or not. The headscarf is a different style depending on specific religion.

In the case of Judaism and Christianity, no had to be passed by men forcing women to stop wearing headscarves in religious contexts. But many are arguing we have to do that for Islam. This is what I think is prejudice and Islamophobia.

All we should be doing is ensuring women are making the choice and you don’t do that by legally removing choice.

Nuns have been mentioned early on. The headscarf disappeared after Vatican 2, for most nuns.

Catholic women stopped covering their heads in church 50 to 60 years ago.

Er, yes. I was talking about Christianity, because a previous poster used it as a gotcha. I wasn't talking about the Torah or the Quran. So I don't know what point you're making.