Has anyone left their spouse over GC views / pro-Islam stance

I think anyone would presume that and hope that it is in the works of getting repaired so its suitable for sisters prayer times and sister meetings.

I can't deny your husbands experience nor have I in my opinion. I've just pointed out the fact the building your husband visited 1 mosque which I dont know which town or city it was. Also highlighting the fact it may be a old building. I've just pointed out the fact that I've attended my local mosques since the age of 6 to learn at one mosque and then moved to another mosque to attend to study age 12. Now at the age of 41 still attend a mosque. Yes its a woman's section and no its neither damp nor in a better condition than a man's section. Like old churches or other worship places you'll find some in better condition and others not so. Thats my point. I can only give you my experience.

To be clear, I am not calling any men from any particular race or culture apes - just any man who cannot suppress his urges and puts the onus on women to hide themselves away to protect themselves.

Thank you for answering me.

Again, I speak from a position
of ignorance and I mean no disrespect but this seems like such a small gain compared to the freedom that is sacrificed. I’ve spent my whole life with my long hair uncovered and nobody cares at all. Nobody is getting a thrill, nobody is harassing me, I am doing no harm to anybody.

It seems such a meaningless benefit (since no man particularly wants to enjoy anyone’s hair anyway), and therefore a worthless sacrifice of freedom to feel the sun and wind in your hair, and to have to cover your body from head to toe. Because men? Sod them, if they can’t contain their urges at the sight of a bit of hair then they can’t really call themselves men, more
like apes!

Really? Weirdly, most men don't 'enjoy' other people's hair. Most people are (sadly? happily?) oblivious to everyone else's appearance and behaviour. We just don't care on an individual level, we have our own selfish and self-centred worries.

But we do worry at the higher policy-setting level. Some Muslim women and girls are being coercively controlled by family/society/community. And their lives are smaller, shabbier and much less free as a result.

There were several Iranian women on my university course. They all wore the usual student uniform of jeans and a nice top, no headscarf, when in London. They hated the need to cover up when they returned home. Women who wore burqas in London were viewed as spineless collaborators.

My view is that the reasons for wearing a hijab (or heaven forfend - the burqa) fall into three main categories:

• Sad. The woman/girl doesn't want to, but has been physically or emotionally bullied/blackmailed/threatened into complying with her family/community wishes

• Mad. She sincerely believes that an all knowing, all loving and all powerful God wants her to hide her hair to be modest and not arouse uncontrollable lust in men. Weirdly, the men don't have to cover their hair or treat women and girls with respect. Why can't he just lower his eyes?

• Bad. It's a rebellious fabric finger to western society. I'll take the healthcare, social housing and welfare benefits, but stuff your enlightenment values.

It's not feminist. Please don't pretend it is.

It was a pre-arranged guided tour. There was no-one praying in either section. The area was introduced as the women's section, with no indication that it was considered inadequate and due for an overhaul.

You had a choice here. You could have said:
That sounds unfair on the women. If that was my local Mosque I would be leading the fight to improve the women's area

or you could supply a list of possible excuses:
maybe it wasn't being used until it's fixed up; it's the building owner's fault; perhaps the area was out of use

It interests me that you chose the latter.

Ok, let's say that the women's section in this particular masjid that your husband went was not good.
Women are not required to attend mosque regularly.
I feel as if he was shown the women's area rhen maybe it wasn't being used until its fixed up as there would be women in there bending over in submission praying and also some women will take their headscarves off when out of view of men.

And its down to the building owners to keep maintenance of the ladies area as well as the mens area. This is their fault. Nothing to do with blaming islam or the Quran. If it was shabby and damp smelling thats bad. But I feel like perhaps that area was out of use. Its like showing a section of the church thats crumbling, I would assume no one goes in that area due to this. Until its fixed up.

He was given a guided tour. He could smell the damp in the women's section. Of course many buildings are old, but my point is that the men's section was in far better condition than the women's. I am not denying your experiences, but I am interested to see you try to minimise or even deny my DH's

That's what makes me laugh about these types of discrimination/bigotry threads - they're all the same and emotive language to convey negative images is one widely played tactic 🙄😁
They do get funny once you see it lol

So it wasn't you who visited. Just curious how did your dh go and visit the womens side as no man is allowed to enter the womens side. The thing is many mosques are old in some areas. So maybe it was dalipitated. I went to a mosque at the age of 6 to learn. The mosque wasn't a basement. So 1 visit from your 'dh' or my experience who still attends a mosque. Just saying.

DH visited a UK mosque a few years ago. The women's prayer area was indeed in the basement with no windows and its shabby state was in marked contrast to that of the men's area upstairs. I'll call out misogyny in any institution where I see it.

That no man gets to enjoy my hair, hooray.

Or burkha? I’m not educated in these matters so I am keen to know the logic. What’s in it for the women?

So why do you wear the hijab then? What’s in it for you and your daughters?

With hijab superglue to our heads 😄 🤣

😂😂 airless rooms. Why don't you just say we're locked away in a dungeon. I love it!!

If you've already made your mind up of Islam being so backwards why ask me. Clearly I wasn't very clear about Muslim women imaams. No women imaams can't preach to muslim men as far as i know as we havent had that. I don't find that odd at all. Men for men and women for women thats how its been.If there is a facility being catered solely for the purpose of women then obviously there will be women imaams. You talk about disabilities. Why are there so many kids with disabilities in the other communities who are not related? I think what you've been fed for so many years is showing. So if an Asian family have a child with a disability you'll just assume they are related so its self inflicted but if its a white family its nothing to do with being related. You say women to have proper power. How would you define by having proper power? As for your comment about a back room. My friend its a whole building and not just a back room with speakers. As for sharia law. We have 1 ceremony with the nikkah that you call the sharia law and 1 thats registered in the country you're living. So the woman is protected. As mentioned before its up to the woman to work or not to work. Well thats how my family and relatives have been bought up. The way you have portrayed us all is all women are oppressed and we can't do anything for ourselves. We're all house slaves. Here's a shocker for you. You'll find extreme sides to alot of other faiths too. So just because you have heard about a few cases please don't label us all like that. As I mentioned before the woman has equal rights as her husband. If shes not getting all her rights or shes not being treated well she has a right to a divorce. Islam allows that. It even states in the quran. I know some cultures see this as a taboo and are against the idea of a divorce.
Have a good day.

John 13 is generally agreed to be in the setting of the Last Supper just before Jesus was crucified.

If it is a supper the day before the Last Supper, as a few argue , it was still evidently an extraordinarily important next to last meal with the disciples, just before he became the Passover lamb himself.

What he says is of enormous purport as being among his last words.

You have also been answered about where he says A new command I give to you ( love one another….)

I have never personally maintained that Jesus dismissed earlier laws. The Ten Commandments are at the core of Christianity. Then so are overriding ideas like he who is without sin throw the first stone, forgive, love one another, and the fact that Jesus himself broke laws about touching an unclean woman, doing work on a forbidden day etc

But the claim was that Jesus replaced all the laws with one. That was not the case.

Also, you quoted John. The gospel of John does not have the last supper.

I’ve heard it all now. Disapproving of women being covered and controlled by a misogynistic custom that isn’t even in the Koran is now Islamophobia. Whatever.

I completely agree with you OP - I would have great difficulty bringing up a daughter with a partner with such views, not to mention the Gender Ideology aspect.

Tellingly, actual questions raised (can female imams preach to men?) are never answered, instead new information is provided to distract.

If the best available response is that some new Mosques have nicer facilities for women and girls, that's rather sad. How about allowing Muslim women to have some real power and influence, not just a bigger back room at the Mosque and a more expensive loudspeaker?

How about tackling the feminist issue of cousin marriage & high rates of child disabilities? Or ensuring all sharia marriages include a civil (legal) process so women and children are protected by UK divorce laws?

Most British women greatly value their education, career and financial success. They want a marriage of equals where both spouses share the financial and emotional responsibilities. Their husband might even be the one to stay home when the children are very young.

Requiring the husband to provide for his (up to 4) wife/wives, while letting them keep their income as 'pin money' is hugely insulting to everyone involved. It's very unattractive, shockingly sexist and extremely regressive. This is the 21st Century, marriages are very different now.

So are all forms of discrimination bad? So if there was a group for non cis men only, and no cis men were allowed, would that be bad, or are non cis men allowed their own groups?

I was not the one making the original points/claim by the way.

I joined in where you asked where Jesus said he gave a new commandment. I told you where.

The Last Supper being the occasion, it seems likely it was a major, parting commandment.

Your claim was this : " All but one are from St Paul who never met Jesus. He complains about women leading worship , which means women were leading worship. Elsewhere Jesus says the Law is replaced by a new commandment : Love one another as I have loved you."

You said Jesus replaced the law.

That's not what he said. He did not say he replaced the law. And that would be Mosaic law. He said a new commandment. He did not say " forget all that other stuff, here is a new single commandment". The verse you quote does not back up your claim.

Joh 13:34 "A new command I give to you, that you love one another; according as I loved you, that you also love one another;" (LSV)

Nope, as I said in my previous post, what he did say was that not one iota of the law would change. Are you saying Matthew and Luke are wrong ? Both of which were written before John.

And note what John wrote just a few lines before your quote. Joh 10:35 "If He called them gods to whom the word of God came (and the Writing is not able to be broken)," (LSV)

It's a major theme of the Bible. That Gods law cannot be changed.

Funny you say that a new mosque has opened today in our home town. Guess what there's a separate whole section dedicated to just women. Who can pray,get together and have a sense of community. Their very own safe space. It was alsl free for the public to come and visit. You wouldn't believe the amount of non Muslims came to attend. We got together had a great time. This shows diversity but we've still got the odd minority trying to create a divide. You talk of women having power and money. The quran that I have read states men should only marry women when they can look after them emotionally,physically and financially. Its going to be a shock but true Muslim men have to provide for their wives. The wives can earn but that's her money. But what man earns the wife has a right to that money. This is how my house works. Im free to work or dont work its not opposed on me. The husband and wife work as a team. Thats what a marriage is according to me and thats what I learnt from the quran. Like another poster said you will find extreme views from any religion be it Christianity or Islam. Im only saying what I have learnt.