Has anyone left their spouse over GC views / pro-Islam stance

Except seeing as OP has an issue with only Islam and not other religions with misogynistic practices, it doesn’t sound as simple as her husband seeing women as less and more OP having an issue with her husband not disliking Islam to the same extent.

You’re right of course it’s ‘just’ a piece of cloth and yet men of the same faith are not compelled to cover themselves. Why one rule for women? I think we know the answer. And it’s not about piety or scripture or holy writ. It’s about unholy misogynistic ideas of why women are expected to present as ‘modest’.

Op - leave him. Any male who thinks women are ‘less’ cannot be reconciled or reasonable.

I think it does, and I have said why on the other thread.

Because UK politics have more overlap than in the US. Labour and the Tories still share core policies. The NHS for example. The US don't. There is a much bigger gap between US progressives than with MAGA. Pretty much no overlap at all.

So while I can see a UK Labour/Tory couple managing fine, I am not so sure about the same in the US.

Do you see what I mean ? And do you agree ?

If I lived in the USA I'd be more worried about the white, Christian men with all the power who are actually taking away women's rights, rather than a small minority group with no ability to enact any change at all.

Agreed. I dislike extreme and repressive versions of Islam, I’ve had many Muslim friends over the years.

They’ve been from many countries and different sects.

Several have been gay, eat bacon, have sex outside of marriage, don’t wear any head covering. Others take their prayer seriously and follow their beliefs strongly. There’s quite a spectrum.

Those who are willing to be friends with other religions / non-religious people are not the problem.

It’s a bit bizarre to ward off people who are actually trying to be part of western society and are tolerant and open-minded.

What does that achieve other the creating divides?

Well so what. The basic question is the basic question. Doesnt matter where you live really.

My DH and I are aligned on these things, I think this sort of thing is the kind of stuff you try to sniff out early in a relationship - though I suppose people can change (not very often IME). I’ve worked in places with a predominantly Muslim workforce - honestly never had an issue with it. I know many hijab wearing women that kick ass and have no issue standing up for themselves. I have close friends who are trans.

I‘m able to reply to you here with civility, even though we appear to be opposite ends of a spectrum. I accept your right to hold your views. I’m not sure, from reading your replies here, that you feel similarly.

It is so interesting that people who think they are defending freedoms sometimes come across as the most bigoted. I think the OP’s husband may be happier (and be more free to think liberally) without her.

I find this puzzling. Why does a cloth covering a Muslim woman’s hair upset you so? Does it upset you to see Jewish women or Catholic women who also cover their hair?

I don’t think OP will be coming back to this thread. She’s started a new one but this time removed any reference to Islam, I suspect probably because she can’t answer why she doesn’t like all Muslim men and only Muslim men.

Because many posters are asking what a sanctuary city is, and OP won't say. It's a US thing, so am trying to tease it out. That's all.

Racist and anti immigrant views have ruined a few friendships. Blatant racism I just don't understand - I mean would you want to be friends with someone who seems like they'd join the KKK or a similar organisation? The anti immigrant thing I get up to a point in the "they are taking our jobs" kinda way but I must admit I have laughed out loud at this because I'm not British and for some one to say this to me seems ridiculous. This usually prompts the "oh I don't mean you! You're ok!!" (aka I'm white and English is my first language)

Most recently there was a tough moment when 3 of us were having lunch out and some how the topic got on to abortion and 2 of us (female) agreed that termination was completely the woman's choice while our friend (male) said that he felt the man should have a choice in the matter. Us 2 gave him very steely looks and said that until men can get pregnant or guarantee they will participate fully - financially and timewise - in the raising of a child they don't get a look in. He's bright enough to shut up.

Sorry - not quite on topic, I know.

While there can be ureconcilable differences in views, that is going to be a serious problem if you insist on assuming that disagreeing with yours means your spouse is in bad faith.

It's entirely possible, for example, for people to have a different view than yours about the hijab without hating woman. That follows for quite a few different political controversies,

@RedTagAlan why do you keep asking the OP if she's in the US? You've asked three times now.

OP, if this were reversed, and your spouse was posting here, would they be forthright is stating their political views ?

If they were a Bernie bro for example, would they just come out and say that ? And then everyone familiar with US politics would understand.

Given that sanctuary cites are a US thing, you must be a US poster ?

And most Muslim women don’t wear burkas.

You haven’t answered my question about your attitude to Jewish men, considering many Jewish girls and women cover to their elbows and ankles and have to cover their hair after getting married.

100% agree - I’m from a liberal Muslim family (though I’m an atheist). Not all Muslims are misogynists or regard western women as easy, but there is a massive overlap between those who adopt conservative dress and those who do. See also - homophobia.

Have you spoken to any Muslim women about it? Or friends with any hijabi women? My DD goes to a school where the majority of pupils are Muslim. We’ve had a number of discussions about the differences and similarities to her upbringing to some of her classmates, but also the differences between her friends experiences ie some live in very strict households, some very relaxed and so she’s aware that being Muslim isn’t a monolithic experience, or that religion isn’t always the defining feature of people’s lives.

She also knows about the Muslim women I work with and are friends with, some of who wear hijabs, some who don’t, but none of whom are forced. All of them are the most badass feminist activists I know

What is a sanctuary city?

So you were ok with being friends with Muslims before but not now and you don’t want your daughter friends with Muslims? And you have an issue with your husband having a different viewpoint?

Being friends with someone from a different faith doesn’t mean you are indoctrinated into that faith…

Not being able to see the misogyny inherent in trans activism and conservative Islam would be an issue for me and no, I don’t think I could live with someone who didn’t see it or didn’t care, and definitely not raise a daughter with them.

So rather than challenging your husband, perhaps you need to challenge your own mindset.

You do realise many Jewish women also cover their hair. Is your discomfort extended to Jewish men or just Muslims?

So you are unsettled, your DH is not, and therefore you LTB?
I suppose if you feel that strongly, you should. But your posts read as if he is forcing your DD to cover her hair when he's simply not overcome with horror at the sight of a hijab.

So it is starting to appear you are a repub, and DH is a Dem ?

Given that sanctuary cities are a US thing.