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Has anyone left their spouse over GC views / pro-Islam stance

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PinkTreeFrog · 25/12/2025 13:47

Husband and I could never find common ground on gender critical views and his blindness to the harms of Islam to women. He has an inability to take in information that contradicts his world view. Has anyone left a spouse over this?

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PinkTreeFrog · 25/12/2025 18:32

MissConductUS · 25/12/2025 18:12

Yank here. They are cities that don’t allow local law enforcement to cooperate with Federal Immigration authorities unless the person in question has been convicted of a violent crime.

Right. There is such a thing as google. It is tangential to my original question.

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PinkTreeFrog · 25/12/2025 18:30

DoggyDilemma25 · 25/12/2025 18:10

I’m glad that you have had positive experiences but I worked with a Muslim girl who told a different story to you. She had to wear a headscarf and told me she would be in trouble if anyone she knew saw her at work without it and it got back to her family that she wasn’t wearing it. Not everyone has totally supportive families. Another of my friends has a MIL who treats her like a slave. These are the experiences they have shared privately. They wouldn’t dream of saying these things publicly.

Yes. I have heard similar stories from women here.

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PinkTreeFrog · 25/12/2025 18:30

Frogbear · 25/12/2025 18:05

But OP is essentially saying she has a problem with all Muslims because some Muslims are misogynistic, and she doesn’t want her daughter to have any Muslim friends. That’s not discussing the hijab, that’s an example of prejudice right there. And that should be challenged.

Funnily, on her other thread she explained that she’s the one that’s changed and has become more Republican, yet doesn’t see that by doing so, she is the one supporting a movement that is stripping away women’s rights in the US.

What rights have been stripped away? Are you familiar with the legal aspects of Roe vs. Wade and how it was not codified for over 30 years?

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converseandjeans · 25/12/2025 18:24

My OH is a Corbynite & we don’t agree politically. We live in a very white area & mainly middle class with some working class people. So he can’t really understand the issues involved as we’re not impacted. I work in a diverse inner city school & a lot of Muslim girls aren’t allowed to do things that most British girls take for granted. I don’t believe girls are treated equally in Islam. So YANBU to be concerned.

I got the impression they that OP was male.

Judgejudysno1fan · 25/12/2025 18:14

DoggyDilemma25 · 25/12/2025 18:10

I’m glad that you have had positive experiences but I worked with a Muslim girl who told a different story to you. She had to wear a headscarf and told me she would be in trouble if anyone she knew saw her at work without it and it got back to her family that she wasn’t wearing it. Not everyone has totally supportive families. Another of my friends has a MIL who treats her like a slave. These are the experiences they have shared privately. They wouldn’t dream of saying these things publicly.

That is very sad indeed. Hijab is important but no way should she be forced to wear. And lastly the other sister is not her mil slave. Thats disgusting. I know in some cultures in Asia unfortunately the wife is seen as someone to cater to the mil every need. But thats culture not islam and I hope she gets away from that soon God.willing.

converseandjeans · 25/12/2025 18:14

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TempestTost · 25/12/2025 18:13

PinkTreeFrog · 25/12/2025 15:13

I am deeply unsettled by the headscarf no matter the context.

Women in the US wear more clothes than women in some other countries. It's generally considered inappropriate, for example, to be topless at the beach or sauna, while in some other places it's not. In a few places people don't wear anything.

Are you concerned about poor American and British women going around obliged to wear tops?

There are places where women are obliged to cover their faces in a way that I think is questionable. But the hijab is a pretty mild cultural difference in terms of covering, and isn't all that differernt than some of the western traditions around women covering their hair that were common fairly recently.

MissConductUS · 25/12/2025 18:12

RedTagAlan · 25/12/2025 15:37

Because many posters are asking what a sanctuary city is, and OP won't say. It's a US thing, so am trying to tease it out. That's all.

Yank here. They are cities that don’t allow local law enforcement to cooperate with Federal Immigration authorities unless the person in question has been convicted of a violent crime.

DoggyDilemma25 · 25/12/2025 18:10

Judgejudysno1fan · 25/12/2025 17:59

Well ur certainly not wearing it so why become sad with something you dont wear.
You are making assumptions that we are forced to wear and our husbands superglue to it our heads before pummelling it into us that we are haram sluts without it. Hahaha.

What about nuns, they look fab dont you think

I’m glad that you have had positive experiences but I worked with a Muslim girl who told a different story to you. She had to wear a headscarf and told me she would be in trouble if anyone she knew saw her at work without it and it got back to her family that she wasn’t wearing it. Not everyone has totally supportive families. Another of my friends has a MIL who treats her like a slave. These are the experiences they have shared privately. They wouldn’t dream of saying these things publicly.

JLou08 · 25/12/2025 18:08

No. Me and DH have opposite views on both topics. These things are rarely black and white. I think you'd need to be really lacking in critical thinking and probably quite arrogant to be unable to accept other have different views.

Judgejudysno1fan · 25/12/2025 18:06

PinkTreeFrog · 25/12/2025 15:21

Believing in covering women with burkas is incompatible with western values. My daughter would not be respected in that community.

Tell me the western values that dont go with burka. What about freedom and a lady wearing what she chooses. Yes, you might not see her face. But I dont think anyone died on the spot because they couldn't see a woman covering ups face.
I personally wouldn't want to wear the burka. Its not just for me but if my fellow sister wanted to wear it and that's her choice, do I really care, is my life affected by it, am I going to lose money or win money...no.

I think you need to work on why youre so upset with hijab not why women wear it. I wear it and it was my choice to wear one year after reverting to islam. I wish I wore it sooner. I feel free and liberated.and I can show my hair to any woman I want to in privacy. All women are beautiful and unique in their own way and ig they dont want men looking at their hair, then they are free to cover it. The bible says cover your hair or shave it off in the old Testament.

Frogbear · 25/12/2025 18:05

polid · 25/12/2025 17:36

being critical of Islam/the wearing of a niquab/hijab etc isn’t islamophobic. It’s almost impossible to have this discussion, especially with the hard left ,without being accused of islamophobia. Calling someone islamophobic carries the same weight as being called transphobic these days. Ie. it’s utterly meaningless. It’s a protected space. You can criticise christianity or hinduism as much as you like, but woe betide the person who takes issue with islam.

But OP is essentially saying she has a problem with all Muslims because some Muslims are misogynistic, and she doesn’t want her daughter to have any Muslim friends. That’s not discussing the hijab, that’s an example of prejudice right there. And that should be challenged.

Funnily, on her other thread she explained that she’s the one that’s changed and has become more Republican, yet doesn’t see that by doing so, she is the one supporting a movement that is stripping away women’s rights in the US.

Judgejudysno1fan · 25/12/2025 18:00

JSMill · 25/12/2025 17:57

I 100% agree with this. My dh is Muslim. His family is full of strong, successful, high achieving women, some of whom are veiled. I am so sick of the generalisations about Muslim attitudes towards women. I know lots of white men from Christian backgrounds who are misogynistic arseholes.

Really good points @frogbear and @Jsmill

Judgejudysno1fan · 25/12/2025 17:59

PinkTreeFrog · 25/12/2025 15:13

I am deeply unsettled by the headscarf no matter the context.

Well ur certainly not wearing it so why become sad with something you dont wear.
You are making assumptions that we are forced to wear and our husbands superglue to it our heads before pummelling it into us that we are haram sluts without it. Hahaha.

What about nuns, they look fab dont you think

JSMill · 25/12/2025 17:57

Frogbear · 25/12/2025 14:58

I understand that in some contexts women are treated unfairly, and that should absolutely be criticised. But saying that wearing the hijab automatically means women are worth less than men is a huge generalisation and doesn’t reflect the reality I see.

I personally know many hijab-wearing women who are respected, educated, financially independent, and treated no less favourably than their male family members. For them, the hijab is a choice tied to faith and identity, not a symbol of inferiority.

The generalisation in your viewpoint is actually quite damaging too.

I 100% agree with this. My dh is Muslim. His family is full of strong, successful, high achieving women, some of whom are veiled. I am so sick of the generalisations about Muslim attitudes towards women. I know lots of white men from Christian backgrounds who are misogynistic arseholes.

Judgejudysno1fan · 25/12/2025 17:56

BruisedPear · 25/12/2025 17:50

I’m actually embarrassed for you OP.
You sound chronically online and distressed over made up scenarios involving Muslims.

The hijab is optional.

A lot of Muslim women don’t wear the hijab so you wouldn’t know they’re Muslim unless they told you.

What about Jewish women or nuns?

Go outside and touch some grass. It’s Christmas Day.

Yeah, I have muslim sisters who dont wear it. I dont judge them. They're my sister regardless. Its what in her heart and her mind that matters.

Judgejudysno1fan · 25/12/2025 17:55

BarLines · 25/12/2025 17:42

I don’t think people really believe that if you support the Palestinian people in their struggle against their oppressors this means you are pro-Islam. This would be a ridiculous non-sequitur. This line is just a tactic to try to damage support for the Palestinians and to defend Israel.

Yes, a lot of non Muslims stand up for Palestine as an ethical view point. Even before I became Muslim years and years ago, I thought it was horrendous.

BruisedPear · 25/12/2025 17:50

I’m actually embarrassed for you OP.
You sound chronically online and distressed over made up scenarios involving Muslims.

The hijab is optional.

A lot of Muslim women don’t wear the hijab so you wouldn’t know they’re Muslim unless they told you.

What about Jewish women or nuns?

Go outside and touch some grass. It’s Christmas Day.

beAsensible1 · 25/12/2025 17:42

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This assumes that Muslim women have no agency in deciding to wear a hijab or not. Which is paternalistic?

its fine to be against forced covering but blanket assumption that Muslim women have to agency is bizarre.

i assume you feel the same about Hasidim?

BarLines · 25/12/2025 17:42

Frogbear · 25/12/2025 16:28

It’s also unclear to me why being pro-Palestine is taken as being pro-Islam. You can be against the indiscriminate killing of people regardless of what faith they are.

I don’t think people really believe that if you support the Palestinian people in their struggle against their oppressors this means you are pro-Islam. This would be a ridiculous non-sequitur. This line is just a tactic to try to damage support for the Palestinians and to defend Israel.

Judgejudysno1fan · 25/12/2025 17:40

Celestialmoods · 25/12/2025 17:39

They won’t view her hair as haram because she isn’t a Muslim.

Id struggle to be married to someone who is so ignorant about something they have strong opinions on the way you are tbh.

Possible suitors????
You do know that muslim men marry Christian women, Jewish women and other Muslim ladies. And several are happy. The quran says the best of you are best to your woman.

Judgejudysno1fan · 25/12/2025 17:39

PinkTreeFrog · 25/12/2025 15:09

When I see the covered women in our neighborhood I am deeply concerned and do make generalizations about boys/men raised in a religion that promotes and often enforces this. If their family members must wear hijab, how do they feel about my daughter wearing her normal western attire?

Men are taught to lower their gaze and look down regardless if shes in hijab, burka, headwrap, long skirt or skirt skirt.

If a man insults a woman on what she is wearing hes the problem.

Celestialmoods · 25/12/2025 17:39

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They won’t view her hair as haram because she isn’t a Muslim.

Id struggle to be married to someone who is so ignorant about something they have strong opinions on the way you are tbh.

DoggyDilemma25 · 25/12/2025 17:38

Guavafish1 · 25/12/2025 17:33

You sound Islamophobia

Define that. And the difference between Islam and Islamist. You should be allowed to criticise political ideology.

Judgejudysno1fan · 25/12/2025 17:36

Op, if you have issued with hijab its quite possible that your great grandmother wore one.
We are not forced to wear one. The quran says there is no compulsion and no forcing in islam.
Men are also required not to show their stomach or wear shorts that go above the knee. Men also are not allowed to wear gold, red and silk. But I can wear gold, red and silk should I wish too.
I also have the rights to all my husbands money and not have to work and he has zero access to my money.

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