Woman banned from Council gyms...guess why? Protest 10th Jan at 1 pm see post on pg.7

Pickled- your posts make me sad too
Why can't you understand the information that has been offered to you on this thread?
What is it that makes you centre the feelings of men against the rights of women?
Should small men use the women's loos if they feel unsafe? Effeminate men? Small and effeminate men?
So what difference is there between these groups of men for example and the man who says he's a woman?
Safety in the men's loo is for men to sort, not us.
A suggestion- please read a bit more; you might get it eventually. Read about the statistics on TW and crimes. Read about the death threats, the online venom and hate directed at women just for speaking out. The chants and noise when women gather to speak.
Maybe look at the threads on Bash Back??

And yes, you are judgemental, preachy and dismissive. You might as well have said
" move over women, shut your mouths and be kind"
No and no again

Thanks @Beowulfa ! Wish I could have been there. Those placards are wonderful!

I went to Southwark today. I've never been to a protest before so I was expecting excitement. What I got was the opposite of exciting: a bunch of sensible middle aged woman talking common sense about rights and the law of the land. It felt slightly ridiculous to have to stand in the cold and hear it reiterated that mammals can't change sex, and that it's not legal for men to be in women's changing rooms. FFS wake up Southwark Council; there's enough shit to sort out in London without women having to remind you of common sense, basic decency and THE ACTUAL FUCKING LAW.

Many thanks to Miranda and the behind-the-scenes organisers. All the speakers were calm, articulate and factual. The shouty mob on the other side had a couple of the blue and pink flags to gyrate around and some not very catchy placards. Oh, and lots of drumming. The kind of skill-less moronic repetitive drumming that was actually quite easy to tune out. I heard every word thanks.They resorted to just waving middle fingers at one point.

We had a great Terf Island union flag, plus a union flag in suffragette colours. My favourite placards:

-NO TESTICLES IN MY CUBICLES
-NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS; HERE'S THE SEX REALISTS
-THIS IS NOT A DRESS CODE (below universal sign for ladies toilet)
-WANK SOMEWHERE ELSE, PERVERTS

The climax was a large and very high quality banner declaiming TRANSWOMEN ARE MEN- SUPREME COURT APRIL 2026, posed with the gender loons in the background.

I'm very glad I went, and will support similar protests in future.

It went very well! We’ve been in the pub for a while, and I met someone (very lovely!) from this thread 👀👋. I’ll leave it to them to say who it is if they wish!

oldtiredcyclist · Today 12:54

I dont think that can be repeated often enough:

Comparisons of official MOJ statistics from March / April 2019 (most recent
official count of transgender prisoners):

76 sex offenders out of 129 transwomen = 58.9%

125 sex offenders out of 3812 women in prison = 3.3%

13234 sex offenders out of 78781 men in prison = 16.8%

Any news on how the protest went/is going?

These stats never fail to evaporate the ' oh so vulnerable and most oppressed' trope.

Good one for the lurkers and the newly no longer be-kinders to look at.

TY!

Indeed.

The offending rates for transwomen in the justice system are far higher than men, let alone women.

Comparisons of official MOJ statistics from March / April 2019 (most recent
official count of transgender prisoners):
76 sex offenders out of 129 transwomen = 58.9%
125 sex offenders out of 3812 women in prison = 3.3%
13234 sex offenders out of 78781 men in prison = 16.8%

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/

This, exactly.

What @Pickledcontext doesn't seem to have allowed for is that one and the same man can be the prey of men and a predator on women. Vulnerable and abusive are not mutually exclusive.
"Not safe in the Gents'" is no guarantee of "suitable for the Ladies".

Agreed.

This is how I’ve felt from the beginning of this mess. Knowingly trying to hook into that part of our socialisation that makes women and girls more vulnerable.It’s particularly calculating and manipulative.

The fact that this has been a central plank of the trans argument exemplifies exactly what they’re about. It’s a belief system that centres men which has no basis in reality. The #NoDebate worked for a while, but when that collapsed they needed another silencing tool. Welcome to the stage BeKind.

Also @Pickledcontext I hope you read the links posted

Brilliant group of women! Good luck tomorrow ❤️

Just popped on to wish those protesting tomorrow an excellent day. 💪
Sorry that I cannot make it.

And if people think wheedling emotional blackmail calculated to manipulate my female socialisation is likely to sway me into pandering to these men, they couldn’t be more wrong. The exact opposite.

Indeed. Great post, but pp has already written us off as pro lifers in her mind so it’s wasted on her. I worry about all these women working in the women’s sector who don’t understand the importance of healthy boundaries to consent tbh. I think she should do some reflecting herself, personally.

I guess you could almost admire the nerve of Pickledcontext. By their own admission they’re just having to drag themselves onto the thread. Not that they really want to, but because we uppity women just won’t centre the needs of the opposite sex.

How dare we be well read and well informed, and have a lifetime of experience living in this world as females. No, the new kids on the block have arrived, and we must be scolded for not flinging open the doors to them. Doors we fought for years to keep shut, to exclude them.

Of course they’re not the new kids at all, it’s a tale as old as time. Men telling women how it is, and trying to make their lives a misery if they push back.

Given the day to day low level misogyny most women experience, and the percentage of women who’ve experienced male violence/aggression, being asked to be kind to a man because he wants to pretend to be a woman and enter our spaces is frankly unbelievable.

If a man thinks he’s a woman and another person goes along with his belief, that’s up to them. What isn’t up to them is to enter female single sex spaces which they know they are excluded from by virtue of their sex.

Kindness has nothing to do with it. I’m kind if somebody falls over next to me, or needs some help reaching a shelf in the supermarket, or perhaps their car won’t start. A man who wants to share my changing room? No.

Pickledcontext appears to be claiming that men who believe they are women are vulnerable in men’s spaces because of male violence. Can we extrapolate from this that men who present themselves in ways stereotypically associated with women are in even greater danger in men’s spaces? Therefore the compassionate thing to do is to allow them entry into women’s spaces.

Anti-Semitism is on the rise. Men who believe they are Jewish are vulnerable in men’s spaces because of male violence. Can we extrapolate from this that men who present themselves in ways stereotypically associated with Jewish people are in even greater danger in men’s spaces? Therefore the compassionate thing to do is to allow them entry into women’s spaces.

Doesn’t make any sense, does it?

Transgenderism is a belief system, just like religion mostly is. (Yes, I know Judaism is an ethno-religion.) Being a member of a religion different to the majority around you is a risk factor for abuse. By the solution is not to put men who have a minority belief in with women. It is to require the majority men to behave with some degree of humanity and compassion.

Please don’t park it. Feel free to “argue and oppose” to convince us why we should have men in women’s spaces. I imagine you don’t have much of an argument beyond “but those men want to” but surprise me.

“Trans women” are men, there is no material difference between them and other men and no evidence to suggest their offending pattern is different to other men.

I could see they thought they were fighting for the underdog but from my perspective, they were contributing to the problem, wasting my time, they were ill informed and getting in the way of tackling the real issues. In a nutshell, they were putting others - women and girls especially - at risk.
I'm guessing that's how you feel about me.

Yes, that is how I feel about you. I'm surprised that you can write that, but not recognise that this is exactly what you're doing.

You think the trans identified males you are fighting for are the 'underdog', but to me, you seem ill informed, as you fail to recognise that these people are still men, with all the physical advantages of the male sex. Putting these physically larger and stronger males into what should be female-only spaces does indeed put women and girls at risk. Especially when you consider that the vast majority of these men are heterosexual with intact male genitalia. They are really no different from what we used to call transvestites or crossdressers.

My message to you is whoever the group, whatever the society - if someone is on the outskirts, their risk of sexual violence drastically increases.

What does this mean? Do you believe that crossdressers are more likely than women and girls to be victims of sexual violence? Even if true, this is no reason to allow them access to women only spaces. Male on male violence is not a problem for women to solve.

If you think that doesn't matter, because in your eyes these people are men, or have mental health issues, or shouldn't have been sharing your space in the first place - then I'm sorry that you think you're powerful enough to create change but don't feel responsible enough to do what you can to minimize harm.

Responsible enough? What on earth do you mean? The best way to minimise harm to women and girls is to keep all men out of female spaces. Are you really suggesting that women should be human shields for vulnerable men as the only way to stop other men from harming them?

You seem to have forgotten that women are human, not a subhuman species which only exists to protect and assist men.

@Pickledcontext Whilst I understand the fear that abusive men could abuse the system and pretend to identify as a woman, trans women have largely been using 'female' changing rooms since 2010, with very few reported incidences.

Turns out there have been very many reported instances. Free Speech Union have fought about 1600 cases in the last 5 years for women complaining about trans-identified males in 'bathrooms' and changing rooms.

That is over 6 women a week on average and, of course, this will be just the tip of the iceberg of women that have felt distress or trauma.

It is not women's responsibility to 'minimise harm' for men at our own expense. I am honestly shocked that you think we should.