Are pronouns misogyny

Yes, never needed them until men put on a dress/makeup
in public and demanded we recognise them as women & to validate our own status as as a woman. Could not be more insulting or misogynistic if they tried.

I have mixed feelings on them as someone who has put them in social media bios. As someone who was in a lot of male dominated hobby/fandom spaces it was nice to differentiate myself and be myself but on the other hand it opened me up to a lot of online harassment (including sexual). Nowadays I substitute it for phrases including woman which I think gets the point across better and has slightly less harassment aimed towards me.

Yes compelled/ declared etc pronouns seek to eliminate women in language & in actuality - they confer acceptance & at least adherence to gender ideology, which is built on the idea that women are a feeling people have.

first class top notch misogyny

Pronouns are one of the props required to uphold and reinforce the idea that people can be 'born in the wrong body' and that some men are women.

I don't want you to know my sex though. My first name can be either sex. That's great for me.

Always remember the farce that was "non binario / non binaria"

Pronouns either state the obvious truth
or a lie
therefore they are irrelevant

Mr / Mrs / Miss are not pronouns, they are titles

No.

Does French no longer have Madame and Mademoiselle? It's a long time since I took my O-levels.

My personal pronouns are I and me.

If people in healthcare don't have westernised names and it's hard to tell, I'd have thought the following words wpuld do the trick.

Either I am a woman, or I am a man.

Dons flak jacket and runs.

Tough one. I didn't mind putting them in because alot of people I work with (healthcare) did not have westernised names and so you couldn't always tell from their name what sex they wer.

I stopped doing it when it became propagandised and associated virtue signalling and after the initial 6 months, a lot of people stopped as well.

Steve Shirley very deliberately never let on her full name
as otherwise she and her team did not get contracts

It only helps those with ambiguous names who actually identify strongly and so care

some of us prefer that no one knows until they meet you

actAlly id prefer they couldn’t tell then either but that’s hard for many body shapes

The only people it helps are those with an ambiguous name like Alex or a name usually for the opposite sex eg women called Charlie or men called Lesley

There are parts of the world that have dropped titles on forms. I was surprised to find that the UK still makes them mandatory when they are not relevant to the form or the organisation needs.

Pronouns on badges and written communications
either state the blindingly obvious
Sarah is she/her
or a lie
Joe is they/them

They therefore serve no purpose other than adherence to a belief system that disadvantages women

The French and some other languages have one term for a woman, one for a man. Much better.

I used to have a job where I'd have to fill in a form so a customer could be sent a bill. The 'title' field was mandatory. If a woman didn't volunteer Mrs, Miss or Ms (and they usually did) I'd have to ask. It bugged me too, so I'd ask is that 'Mrs, Miss, Dr., Capt., Rev...?'. It usually got a laugh, it could be awkward to ask, and it made me feel better.

It doesn’t ‘pander to men’. It panders to gender ideology which is regressive and harms girls/women. So yes pronouns are misogynistic.

I immediately lose respect for anybody who ‘declares’ them, and if I can get away with it in my professional life, I dismiss anything that comes across my desk with pronouns, especially if I’m recruiting. I don’t need to work with people who support misogynistic ideology. Even if through naiveté.

Defining women by their marital status is unnecessary, and sexist.
Miss/Mrs/Ms on forms. And yet, only Mr for men.
Wtaf?!

This must change.

Good god I coulkd not care less other than all the THEY riubbish

Please stop force teaming the suggestion of using correct sex language for someone with the demand for wrong sex pronouns to be used.

The entire objective from organisations such as Stonewall was to normalise those people who demand wrong sex language be used for them by having another group who wanted to help or who felt it was useful do it to. The groups have very different motivations. Although, on the face of it, anyone putting pronouns in their email footer is trying to control other people’s language use.

However, this was a significant normalisation project by those organisations and it has worked all too well.

I wonder if scriptwriters are waiting with fingers crossed for the pronouns in emails fad to be over so they can get back to using Jo/joe type confusion as a plot device in romcoms.

Respectful to whom? Who am I showing respect to if I put my pronouns in my emails?

The problem is, as I've already explained on this exact thread, that "preferred pronouns" depends on the sexist idea that the fundamental difference between a man and a woman is mental. Did you not read that post?

The belief that there are some ways of thinking that are correct for men but not for women and vice versa is just the same old sexist shit that has been used to hold women back forever, and it is not at all "respectful" of women to go along with it.

What’s the problem exactly with putting pronouns in? If it helps you to be respectful (and for some gender-neutral names it is extremely helpful) then what’s the matter?