Sex Matters - Hampstead Heath Ponds -

Oh no it isn't! Although, men in wigs and gowns? TiMs and/or judges? Perhaps it is.

It is literally a bloody pantomime, isn't it

Very pleased to read Sex Matters' statement about the overturning of the earlier decision!

It's great news, but isn't it ...something-or-another.... that two distinguished justices can disagree with each other so thoroughly:

Mrs Justice Lieven: 'They have no standing'
Lady Justice Elisabeth Laing: 'Oh yes they have!'
Mrs Justice Lieven: 'Their challenge is too early - no wait, it is too late - no wait, it's both.
Lady Justice Elisabeth Laing 'Oh no it's not!'
😄

I suppose that's the self-correcting nature of the system of justice in action, and fair play to it for being able to overrule itself and make good errors or miscarriages of justice. That's 'make good' errors, not 'make good errors, although...🤔

It takes a lot - time, money, heartbreak - to get the 'Oh no it's not!' stage, though, doesn't it? Thank heavens for crowdfunding and groups like Sex Matters.

I've donated too, on top of my monthly sub.

Good news. I have donated.
I saw their 'consultation' and it was unbelievably biased.

Yaay. Well done for staying the course, it paid off

Just gave them a tenner.

Good news.

That’s good news. It will be interesting to see what their arguments are, considering the changing room and shower situation.

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/hampstead-ponds-judicial-review-going-ahead/

https://x.com/i/status/2033853804802625620

Stumbled across this article in the Metro

Trans people like me are rightly welcome at Hampstead Ladies’ Pond | News UK | Metro News https://share.google/WhSOHQTv0542J9c6k

Although it's a few weeks old I've not seen it before. Despite the bias of the bloke that wrote it at the time I posted the vast majority of the people who tapped on the survey didn't seem to be buying his nonsense. That may change if our resident tras sound the transphonia. Funny that there's a survey but I couldn't see any comments allowed.

The headline, I think, is wrong. At the moment only trans identifying men, like the author, would be allowed. As I understand it women who claim to be trans wouldn't.

Let's hope that they are granted permission here.

Sex Matters has lodged our application for permission to appeal in the Hampstead Ponds case against the City of London Corporation
https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/sex-matters-seeks-to-appeal-in-hampstead-ponds-case/

I've only used the women's - open plan changing area and showers, a few cubicles for more private changing. If the men's is similar, I assume they'd need to alter it to satisfy the regulations so it's suitable for both sexes.

Do you use the ponds? What are the toilet and changing room arrangements?

Wondering if yesterday’s GLP v EHRC judgement makes any difference to what could happen at the ponds?

I had a quick look through the consultation responses and couldn’t see any issues raised about trans men in the men’s pond. (Obviously lots of issues raised about having trans women in the women’s pond). So looks like it could be legal for the men’s pond to be ‘men + trans men’. Based on what the judge said yesterday, a woman wouldn’t have a direct discrimination claim because she’s got the woman’s pond. And men seem unlikely to claim indirect discrimination.

But the women’s pond should be single-sex otherwise risk of indirect discrimination against women.

At least that’s what I’ve taken from the judgement. Any thoughts?

Well yes. I "performed" my first period (and all those after that) I "performed" pregnancy and childbirth and motherhood.
I "performed" being raped and abused. Being harrased at work and on the streets, the bus, the park...
Such fun. Take a bow.
They really do think womanhood is wearing makeup and pretty clothes, and simpering, don't they?

Glad to have raised a smile!

selfish little sausage has really made me laugh 😆

In the de Beauvoir sense he might have an accidental point (not that he's the first fucking clue about what she actually meant).

Being female, however, is born not worn, chummy.

This reply says it all really, womanhood as a performance.

"It just shows that they don't see me as a woman despite being nice to me. It ends up feeling performative."

It's just bizarre. He must know it's performative. It's the whole point.

I guess it truly is just delusional.

I suppose it's also from years of their friends, family and allies playing along and using female pronouns, "woman" etc. They all end up actually believing it.

Language, as we (and they) know, is so important.

The co-working revealing that she knows he's a man "literally shatters the foundations of the relationship". A relationship in which he just expected her to believe his lie. I don't suppose he ever actually asked her if she was did, or if she was ok with the pretence.

"It just shows that they don't see me as a woman despite being nice to me. It ends up feeling performative."

Is he saying that if we know he's a man we should be horrible to him? Because all of my relationships with trans-identifying males are that I am nice to them, but I know damn well they are men.

Spot on @SinnerBoy