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Sex Matters - Hampstead Heath Ponds -

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SexRealismBeliefs · 15/12/2025 18:42

Sex Matters, a charity that campaigns for single-sex rights, will argue that the City of London Corporation is breaching equality law by allowing trans women to use Kenwood Ladies’ Pond on Hampstead Heath.

Hearing this Wednesday.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/cceca8ca-4167-4b04-875a-40ddacfea782?shareToken=e9fe25a546d20835f1a5a66564cbf27b

Hampstead women’s pond sued over transgender access

Sex Matters claims that the City of London Corporation is defending a policy that defies the Supreme Court ruling on single-sex services

https://www.thetimes.com/article/cceca8ca-4167-4b04-875a-40ddacfea782?shareToken=e9fe25a546d20835f1a5a66564cbf27b

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ArabellaScott · 20/03/2026 12:58

Shortshriftandlethal · 20/03/2026 08:24

What do you think it is that really motivates them? Are they all very attached to being members of a group ( group think) or what?

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There's more to it.

Look at the comments on AGP's social media. Hordes of women falling over themselves to tell mediocre blokes how stunning and brave they are. They actually flock to these men and ritually abase themselves before them.

Its weird. But its a thing.

SidewaysOtter · 20/03/2026 12:40

Slothtoes · 20/03/2026 08:59

And obviously there a vast and weighty cancellation incentives against speaking freely about any doubts they might or god forbid actively objecting to men getting everything, everywhere, all at once.

Women are very much socialised to be kind and selfless - what better way to signal your virtue than a quick excursion to The Right Side of History?

As for the Graun, it was my go-to paper for absolutely donkeys. I migrated over to the Times during Covid for some respite from the "WE'RE ALL GOING TO DDIIIIIIEEEE AND THE TORIES ARE RESPONSIBLE" hysteria and never went back except for Jay Rayner and Nigel Slater. Since they're no longer there either, there's no reason to read it at all any more.

lcakethereforeIam · 20/03/2026 12:31

The Guardian has a thing to tell you how many articles you've read in the past 12 months. Mine used to be hundreds, possibly thousands. The last time I saw it I think it was 8.

alteredimage · 20/03/2026 12:18

moto748e · 20/03/2026 11:37

On another thread this morning someone said, who reads the Guardian now, the centre-left abandoned it long ago? I don't really think that's true. I think there's still a hell of a lot of centre-left voters out there still reading the Guardian. I'm remiinded of a mate of mine, last time I visited,he complained "I'm the only leftie around here" (literally!) in a only-gay-in-the-village way. People take comfort in their tribe. That was my tribe too. Still is, in a way. The G has most closely mirrored my views on most issues through my life-time. But I call foul on genderwoo, and The G's promotion of it shameful, and increasingly tied in with its digital footprint in the US and Australia for boring financial reasons, no doubt.

The Guardian send me weekly emails asking for donations, but never give me the chance to reply. I really want to tell them that I cannot donate to them if they won’t support women. I assume I am not alone. If they understood this perhaps they might realise their approach is costing them.

LlynTegid · 20/03/2026 11:54

Slothtoes · 20/03/2026 08:57

i think that they think that membership of a socially acceptable set of views includes pretending that women’s rights are already achieved, done and dusted. And they are healthy and privileged and don’t have to rely on public services themselves, so they aren’t disadvantaged by the effects of ending single sex provision for public services. They can cope with a few mixed sex toilets in the theatre or art gallery and think other women are being fussy or paranoid.
They may have trans identified kids, and will likely be working with trans identified young people at their workplaces who individually are perfectly nice young people.
They’re living in a bit of a cosy bubble basically. Haven’t thought it through, no incentives to do so.

Hampstead area well summarised in three paragraphs.

moto748e · 20/03/2026 11:37

On another thread this morning someone said, who reads the Guardian now, the centre-left abandoned it long ago? I don't really think that's true. I think there's still a hell of a lot of centre-left voters out there still reading the Guardian. I'm remiinded of a mate of mine, last time I visited,he complained "I'm the only leftie around here" (literally!) in a only-gay-in-the-village way. People take comfort in their tribe. That was my tribe too. Still is, in a way. The G has most closely mirrored my views on most issues through my life-time. But I call foul on genderwoo, and The G's promotion of it shameful, and increasingly tied in with its digital footprint in the US and Australia for boring financial reasons, no doubt.

Slothtoes · 20/03/2026 08:59

And obviously there a vast and weighty cancellation incentives against speaking freely about any doubts they might or god forbid actively objecting to men getting everything, everywhere, all at once.

Slothtoes · 20/03/2026 08:57

i think that they think that membership of a socially acceptable set of views includes pretending that women’s rights are already achieved, done and dusted. And they are healthy and privileged and don’t have to rely on public services themselves, so they aren’t disadvantaged by the effects of ending single sex provision for public services. They can cope with a few mixed sex toilets in the theatre or art gallery and think other women are being fussy or paranoid.
They may have trans identified kids, and will likely be working with trans identified young people at their workplaces who individually are perfectly nice young people.
They’re living in a bit of a cosy bubble basically. Haven’t thought it through, no incentives to do so.

Shortshriftandlethal · 20/03/2026 08:24

BeSpoonyTurtle · 20/03/2026 08:19

Don't underestimate the number of willing handmaidens who welcome men into the Ladies pond. You only have to look at the behaviour of the Kenwood Ladies Pond Association to see how many women have drunk the koolaid.

What do you think it is that really motivates them? Are they all very attached to being members of a group ( group think) or what?

BeSpoonyTurtle · 20/03/2026 08:19

Shortshriftandlethal · 17/12/2025 09:46

It's not so much that " the patriarchy hates women" as much as the way that male/masculine desires, patterns of behaviour and standards are automatically prioritised or adopted over those of female people.

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Don't underestimate the number of willing handmaidens who welcome men into the Ladies pond. You only have to look at the behaviour of the Kenwood Ladies Pond Association to see how many women have drunk the koolaid.

BeSpoonyTurtle · 19/03/2026 10:06

Shedmistress · 18/03/2026 08:01

Probably couldnt even point to London on a map, let alone Hampstead Ponds.

Where are the BBC's fact checkers when we need them?

Keeptoiletssafe · 18/03/2026 11:32

lcakethereforeIam · 18/03/2026 11:05

If I find myself in a queue for toilets with floor to ceiling doors and partitions I've taken to loudly talking about how unsafe they are, if I'm with someone or if I've struck up a conversation with someone else in the line. I don't just start declaiming. I'm not a complete lunatic. Helps to pass the time.

🤣 oh I am laughing at that so much and I have a cold so now coughing. I photograph toilet doors (with permission) and get some very funny stares. I got very excited about a particular door grill once and told the train guard how good it was, who then side eyed me for the rest of the journey, which made me chuckle and look even madder.

LlynTegid · 18/03/2026 11:09

Davros · 17/03/2026 18:41

@MarieDeGournay you quoted Ozzie’s Dream, a Spurs anthem. John Betjeman was from Highgate so possibly a spurs supporter too!

John Betjeman was alive when Spurs won the league!

lcakethereforeIam · 18/03/2026 11:05

If I find myself in a queue for toilets with floor to ceiling doors and partitions I've taken to loudly talking about how unsafe they are, if I'm with someone or if I've struck up a conversation with someone else in the line. I don't just start declaiming. I'm not a complete lunatic. Helps to pass the time.

Keeptoiletssafe · 18/03/2026 10:54

BezMills · 18/03/2026 10:08

Same thing writ small goes on here. The same old boring TRA LALA arguments have to be gone over every 4-6 weeks when some 'innocent face' 'ingenue' comes here and goes through something so predictable and repetitive it might as well be a script.

It's a kind of attempted attrition in my view.

If they mention toilets then I reply, equally boringly (even to myself) explaining why ‘inclusive’ designed toilets aren’t inclusive, safer or healthier than single sex designs. 😁

I know GLP raised over £500,000 to lose in court over an argument that appeared to be insisting all toilets are mixed sex. If they had done their homework they would realise that can’t work practically, economically, legally or morally. That money could have been used to maintain 33 toilets in places of need (public toilets cost roughly £15k a year).

WeMeetInFairIthilien · 18/03/2026 10:30

MassiveWordSalad · 18/03/2026 10:12

My previous post got eaten, maybe MN didn’t like the link, but you can set up an account with Just Giving and nominate Sex Matters as your charity. Then loads of places you shop with online will donate a percentage to your chosen charity. E.g. you can make M&S divert some of their profits for gender criticism 😁

There is a widget that you can set up too.

Devious.

I LOVE IT!

MassiveWordSalad · 18/03/2026 10:12

MassiveWordSalad · 18/03/2026 10:03

And yes, it’s painful that women are having to pay to try and maintain our basic rights. Especially when you remember that the gender pay gap is alive and kicking 😡

My previous post got eaten, maybe MN didn’t like the link, but you can set up an account with Just Giving and nominate Sex Matters as your charity. Then loads of places you shop with online will donate a percentage to your chosen charity. E.g. you can make M&S divert some of their profits for gender criticism 😁

There is a widget that you can set up too.

BezMills · 18/03/2026 10:08

IwantToRetire · 17/03/2026 18:05

I saw this announcement from Sex Matters earlier today vai a facebook post and was really happy
https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/hampstead-ponds-judicial-review-going-ahead/

But I did have this after thought.

Has any one added up, or kept a running total of just how much money has been spent on legal costs on cases like this about asserting women's sex based rights.

Obviously great that money have been raised.

But wouldn't it have been great if this money could have been used by women's groups etc., to do something pro-active, rather than having to endlessly re-fight the same issue.

That's the other part of men controlling women's lives. Forcing them to take defensive or evasive actions to mitigate male arrogance about their rights being primary.

Same thing writ small goes on here. The same old boring TRA LALA arguments have to be gone over every 4-6 weeks when some 'innocent face' 'ingenue' comes here and goes through something so predictable and repetitive it might as well be a script.

It's a kind of attempted attrition in my view.

MassiveWordSalad · 18/03/2026 10:03

And yes, it’s painful that women are having to pay to try and maintain our basic rights. Especially when you remember that the gender pay gap is alive and kicking 😡

Shedmistress · 18/03/2026 08:01

PaterPower · 17/03/2026 22:27

I note that the beeb’s reporting uncritically spews out the ‘results’ of a poll that even the City of London have had to acknowledge was hijacked.

Over 20,000 ‘recent’ users of the ponds?! When the session capacity is a max of 100?

I suspect many of the respondents wouldn’t be able to locate Hampstead Heath on a map, let alone have swum there.

Probably couldnt even point to London on a map, let alone Hampstead Ponds.

Slothtoes · 18/03/2026 07:51

it’s woken a lot of us up like cold water being poured on us from the dream that the post ww2 era of women’s rights have all been sorted out by the legal strides ahead of the previous generations in the 60s -90s and so now women can just get on with it, for sure.

DameProfessorIDareSay · 18/03/2026 07:17

IwantToRetire · 17/03/2026 18:05

I saw this announcement from Sex Matters earlier today vai a facebook post and was really happy
https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/hampstead-ponds-judicial-review-going-ahead/

But I did have this after thought.

Has any one added up, or kept a running total of just how much money has been spent on legal costs on cases like this about asserting women's sex based rights.

Obviously great that money have been raised.

But wouldn't it have been great if this money could have been used by women's groups etc., to do something pro-active, rather than having to endlessly re-fight the same issue.

That's the other part of men controlling women's lives. Forcing them to take defensive or evasive actions to mitigate male arrogance about their rights being primary.

I saw a list on X recently and the total spent on court cases was over £4 million!

I’ll post if I can find it again.

hholiday · 18/03/2026 04:20

IwantToRetire · 17/03/2026 18:05

I saw this announcement from Sex Matters earlier today vai a facebook post and was really happy
https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/hampstead-ponds-judicial-review-going-ahead/

But I did have this after thought.

Has any one added up, or kept a running total of just how much money has been spent on legal costs on cases like this about asserting women's sex based rights.

Obviously great that money have been raised.

But wouldn't it have been great if this money could have been used by women's groups etc., to do something pro-active, rather than having to endlessly re-fight the same issue.

That's the other part of men controlling women's lives. Forcing them to take defensive or evasive actions to mitigate male arrogance about their rights being primary.

You are right and in some ways it’s heartbreaking to think of the things women could have done were they not forced to define and defend themselves like this.

But I also hope a lot of good will come from this. Every court case that gets fought on these terms seems to operate like part of a ‘women’s bill of rights’, defining why we are both equal to men but also have different needs due to our biology. Society’s wilful misunderstanding of this stems from centuries of oppression and hopefully each little win pushes back on that a little. Hope so, anyway!

Slothtoes · 17/03/2026 22:56

PaterPower · 17/03/2026 22:27

I note that the beeb’s reporting uncritically spews out the ‘results’ of a poll that even the City of London have had to acknowledge was hijacked.

Over 20,000 ‘recent’ users of the ponds?! When the session capacity is a max of 100?

I suspect many of the respondents wouldn’t be able to locate Hampstead Heath on a map, let alone have swum there.

It’s outrageous that the BBC quotes such an obvious pile of rigged crap.
Every TRA will have said they are a regular user and live locally to increase their weighting.

PaterPower · 17/03/2026 22:27

Apollo441 · 17/03/2026 20:34

They will no doubt be relying heavily on their 'survey' that showed 90% of biological women would happily be naked in a shower with a transwoman or some other such nonsense. I hope Sex Matters council are prepared to dismantle the methodolgy of the so called survey. However, this is entirely irrelevant, you can't opt out of the law with a vote.

They already have (dismantled it).