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FFS: Woodcraft Folk Rainbow Camp

34 replies

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 15/12/2025 08:45

Is it just me or is this a bit of a safeguarding fail?

TLDR: This camo is for LGBTQ + allies, age 10-17, no parents, mixed sex/age sleeping, mixed sex/age toilets and showering.


"What ages is the residential for?
The residential is open to anyone aged from 10 to 17'

"Do young people need to be accompanied by an adult?
The residential will be led by experienced staff and volunteers. All staff and volunteers are safeguarding trained and have enhanced DBS checks. Group leaders/parents are not required to stay at the centre for their children to take part"

"How will sleeping arrangements be decided?
We will discuss with participants what they are most comfortable with and allocate sleeping spaces accordingly."

"How will toilet, changing and showering facilities be arranged?
There are two toilet blocks on site. It is expected that we will be the only campers on site for the weekend. On arrival, signage for these will be changed to “with urinals” and “without urinals”. These are to be used at their convenience and for all campers who wish to use them. There are two identical shower blocks, which will also be used for all campers. There is an accessible toilet/shower, which will be freely usable."

[Edit: spelling]
[Edit 2: clarify for LGBTQ + allies]

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WhatterySquash · 15/12/2025 09:46

Bloody hell. That’s a very worrying age bracket as well as all the mixed-sex everything. I don’t know what can be done though - especially as any organisation or institution you report it to would probably be tq+-captured and unwilling to criticise or investigate something with that label on it. (Which is why it is such a handy label for some people with dodgy intentions and for dazzling the clueless into co-operating - not casting that aspersion on this particular camp as we don’t know, but the risk is there)

Woodcraft Folk are bonkers IME. Took DS once because we naively thought it would involve actual woodworking. It was uncontrolled chaos with leaders and parents pleading weakly with rioting kids. I discussed the ethos and aims of the org with the leader as we looked on (DS didn’t want to get involved as he was quiet and shy and had been anticipating woodwork!) and the leader smugly explained that it was like brownies or cubs but better as there were “no boundaries”. I pointed out that was resulting in some kids getting hurt. He told me it was wrong to step in and tell them what to do. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Goodbye woodcraft folk.

ArabellaSaurus · 15/12/2025 09:41

Mixed sex showers for teenagers. What could possibly go wrong?

Greyskybluesky · 15/12/2025 09:41

Is any parent really going to mad enough to let their kid go?

It would be good to think they wouldn't, but an astounding number of parents let their kids go to drag queen story time and pat puppies at Pride

titchy · 15/12/2025 09:38

I wonder if they realise they’re homophobic - removing safeguarding measures for those with the protected characteristic of being gay (I think the PC of sexuality also extends to those who associate with people in that group before anyone says the inclusion of allies means they’re not discriminating on the basis of sexuality.)

Is any parent really going to mad enough to let their kid go?

TammyOne · 15/12/2025 09:31

It does sound like an invitation to nonces, yes!
Although, I went on a few Woodcraft camps and hostel stays as a kid and the hostels were always big dorm rooms and not sex segregated, with kids from around 6-15. We were all in sleeping bags and it was very innocent (from my experience at least).
I think it’s the whole LGBTQ angle that feels dodgy. Why would you be classifying children by their sexuality? Adults have no business interfering in that.

ErrolTheDragon · 15/12/2025 09:22

So it sounds like they’re planning to deliberately change male and female loos to mixed sex signage which apart from questions of legality will be deleterious to girls but not to boys.Hmm

lifeturnsonadime · 15/12/2025 09:05

In plain sight.

This is absolutely disgraceful.

SirChenjins · 15/12/2025 09:03

A bit of a safeguarding fail?! It's announcing its fail with klaxons and bells! Who in the right mind would allow their child to be unsupervised at such a place?

ContentedAlpaca · 15/12/2025 09:01

I've just found the ad on the public Facebook group.
Lloyd Russel Moyle is an admin on there, the guy who looked like he tried to intimidate Miriam Cates in parliament and had to make a none apology.