Thread derailment

There's quite some incongruity to criticism of we others for what you call seeing our feminism as perfect, while presuming to declare what feminist groups should be about!

In case it had escaped your notice, feminism is a political movement. It has defined principles and underlying objectives. Our movement is global; the more detailed objectives vary according to cultural and regional conditions. Feminists agree on the principles and fundamental aims.

Some groups of people call themselves feminist without believing the politics. This doesn't mean feminism has changed or developed 'nuances', it means they're wrong or lying.

Feminism often does entail women from all different backgrounds sharing their experiences and learning more about each other, but gentle socialising and/or group therapy is not among the objectives. Find another group for that - dozens of the other MN boards might better suit your needs.

I'm not feeling hostile towards anyone. I'm commenting on the thread and saying what other posters have said.

Yes there are many reasons people are “fond of Reddit”. Not all of them are good. Mumsnet has its own culture and flaws, of course.

Then don’t include me in that group, thanks. We’re not a hive mind and you are coming across as someone who is pretty hostile to the women here.

I think a lot of people are fond of Reddit hence its popularity.

One would have to think other people's views matter for that to be a problem.

The quality of discussion on Reddit is nothing like it is here.

Other people definitely seem to feel that way. I can't see how it could have been 4 years and people still aren't sure.

Yes, that’s up to you. But don’t be surprised if people who can evidence why you’re wrong on a given issue think you’re running away from that.

Please stop putting words in my mouth. I have not at any point said that the board was sold to me as anything. I’ve been here since 2014.

I dont engage much with people after I share my views because I don't always see the point. I think what I think based on my knowledge bank. There's often no point in talking with someone who is irritated by my opinions and wants to change them. I'm not obliged to.

Maybe not. Especially if the site has been known not to operate with the neutrality it states. But you know if a million anti-GC posters arrive here, it will just be like Reddit or whereever where your views will be in the minority so it will feel as if you are shouted down.

I do think some of you should seek clarification from staff about the board description etc if you think this was sold to you as something it is not.

The reason people derail and troll and plop down one line TWAW posts and run away is that most arguments in favour of “trans rights” trumping women’s sex based rights are shite. So they only turn up to recite mantras and disrupt, generally.

Of course. But in my opinion (just to be clear), those people don’t have particularly good arguments because all of it is absurd. So I don’t think they’re going to be arriving in droves to have those arguments, and it’s not really what currently happens. That’s just the reality of how an established community works, online and off.

I don't think the fact most people in a party room are wearing blue makes it a blue party unless the host says it is.

Well seeing as posters posting here didnt know it was a neutral space, that isn't surprising.

And that's fine. It doesnt change the board's intention. And if the site is moderated fairly, it won't stop an influx of new posters who have different views.

Go and chat to TRAs about whether they see it as a “neutral space”. Reddit would claim to be a neutral space, and Twitter. They aren’t, either.

You share it as if it is fact completely oblivious to the fact that in many situations, regardless of one's personal views, the GC posters appear to be more trollish than anyone else.

Why do you think I am disagreeing with what the board is for?

So I don’t have to “let go” of anything. Most posters here don’t believe men are women. The end.

You see this type of hyperbole is indicative of your bias. I'm saying that it is a neutral space where all views can be shared, including GC views. I'm not saying that all views except GC views should be shared. I am commenting on what the site said the board is intended for.

It seems like unless you feel GC views are supported by the site more than any other views, then it is anti-GC.

It’s a GC board in that the majority of posters here lean that way. Not by decree. HTH

Yes, it’s entirely my opinion. That’s what people do on discussion boards, no? Share their opinions?

I think you have to let go of this idea that this board is GC. The board is neutral. That's how the owner intended it to be and she's clearly said as much. I admit it has been confusing because they haven't moderated that way, clearly. But unless they've publicly stated elsewhere, everything I've found has categorically denied that this board is intended to prioritise GC views.