HW live on LBC at 4pm 11 Dec

She was suspended, then reinstated, then refused to do what she needed to do to get revalidated, so is no longer registered.

Her husband was struck off.

If the gendered soul exists then of course an 8 year old can know their wrong sex gender. If you have faith that souls trump bodies, so the body has to match the soul, then whatever you do is good so long as the male body becomes somewhat less male

I disagree. If making that body less male leads to catastrophic side-effects on the health of the child, then no, it's not good to do it. What's good is to weigh the pros and cons, and come down on the safest side for the child's current and future health.

So basically, the only way transitioning a specific child could be good, would be if the doctors knew for sure that:

1. that child is going to commit suicide before they turn 18, specifically because of their gender distress,
2. that gender distress cannot be alleviated through any other means but physical transition.

Doctors at this point do not know for sure either of these things, for any child. In particular, no proper research into psychological alleviation of gender distress has been made. That should be the priority of anyone who wants to do good by those children, IMO.

I might take slight issue with your last sentence.

If your view on "gender affirming medicine" is that it should be given on demand because all human beings (including young kids) know who they truly are, and if you are so ill-informed that you think that there is a massive risk of suicide if you don't do what they want mean that the huge harms and risks of gender affirming medicine can be completely ignored, then no. If you believe all that nonsense she is competent, caring and providing a service for a reasonable fee.

Ultimately it is all about the gendered soul and faith in it.

If the gendered soul exists then of course an 8 year old can know their wrong sex gender. If you have faith that souls trump bodies, so the body has to match the soul, then whatever you do is good so long as the male body becomes somewhat less male (whilst ignoring that male female is a binary and male bodies are always 100% male).

I kept hearing her mention gender diversity in a positive way, isn’t that the opposite of transitioning?

This isn’t a popularity contest. We don’t have to vote for him.

He is asking important questions and genuinely seems to get it. I haven’t listened to his opinions on anything as I’m not really interested - he is a journalist - he reports on things. Why does it matter to you what his personal politics are if he is exposing monsters like HW for what they are?

Why are you so keen to discredit and dismiss him? Which of his views do you disagree with?

Sorry @Igmum, I tried to do a link but it won't let me!

@Igmum
Check out this episode of Tom Swarbrick on Global Player

The Tories don't argue, Labour never stops

@Igmum if you go to LBC and then Schedules & Catchup, Tom Swarbrick 4pm today.

I’ll probably regret saying this but does anyone have a link? I’ve just downloaded the LBC app but can’t figure out how to find a programme on it

Oh fgs. Does it matter how you voted or intend to vote if a child in front of you is being permanently damaged? By medics?

Checking over the court judgement in the case of the child with anorexia prescribed a testosterone overdose - their only assessment by Gender GP was a single online meeting wiyj a counsellor. No medical assessment, no physical or psychiatric exam, no height or weight or evaluation on puberty stage, no blood tests.

Helen Webberley is fully responsible for that structure of her company. Either she cares so little about her customers that she hasn't even bothered to read any details of the case or she is simply lying.

Whatever your views on gender affirming medicine - she is incompetent, callous and is financially exploiting trans people and their families.

It serves their right wing agenda to claim only biological women are women.

I can only point and laugh 😂

Thanks @NewYearNewNameWhoKnew. I'll ask for my post to be removed.

I've checked and the testosterone overdose was prescribed by a doctor in the EU (not publicly named) who is/was employed by Gender GP.
Mike Webberley was struck off by the GMC for incompetent care of children with gender dysphoria including inappropriate prescriptions of puberty blockers and cross sex hormones.

Yes those individuals did. But I do not believe they expelled party members who disagreed, did they?

Oh yes!!! Me too. And he’s like JOB on the gender topic,

You are very wrong about that.

Women here are deadly serious about women’s rights and not treating “woman” as a costume and roleplay for men. And deadly serious about keeping children’s health away from ideologues like Helen Webber.

Not so interested in purity testing everything against a fantasy ideal world where all the lovely left- wing men listen to what women are saying and start asking some questions about gender ideology.

The focus in this thread is on the mad shite that Helen Webberly comes out with.

Don’t care all that much who is asking the questions, and certainly not particularly “supporting” them over anyone else.

When the sensitive, kind, nice and correct thinking left wing men ask some hard questions of people like HW, we’ll be right there cheering them on.

But they aren’t currently asking anything awkward at all. Turns out they are more concerned with saving their own progressive credentials than really sticking up for women.

All sides have been "derelict with their duty". Theresa May wanted to bring in self ID, Penny Mordant tried her hardest even though she later denied it. What about the Lib Dems? Am I not right in thinking they're neither left nor right?

To be clear, I'm not saying the issue of Genderism is naturally Left or Right, I'm saying the Left estalishment (political and cultural) has caused it to become so by being derelict in its duty.

I agree with you about the people, but the fact remains the Estalishment of the Left - the political parties grassroots to government (with the proud exception of the Communists), the mouthpieces, the media outlets, and because it's the Left, the cultural establishment as well, have all actively silenced any Left voices that do not endorse (or pretend to endorse) Genderist beliefs.

So in this case, at the structual political level, I'm afraid it actually is Left and Right.

I just posted this on another thread about Helen webberly

Oh no, not the wrong trousers Grommet?

Ben Kentish is so awful about pensions and OAPs. Very ageist. He has me shouting at the radio.

@FlirtsWithRhinos @Diosmonet In fairness it isn't "the left" it's lots of people on the left granted but simplifying it as left and right doesn't help the situation. This is how it's been presented from the start to encourage people to fall into line, so anyone dissenting can be labelled with one of the worst names you can call a lefty - a bigot.