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Baroness Falkner: Labour Party has abandoned women and feminism

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Signalbox · 05/12/2025 21:45

“… She has unfinished business, however. Three months ago she submitted, with the support of the board, what she views as her legacy — statutory guidance on how public bodies, businesses and employers should interpret a seismic ruling by the Supreme Court. The ruling, on April 16, clarified that under the Equality Act 2010 the terms “women” and “sex” referred to “biological” sex, not acquired gender.

Since then, however, the guidance has gone nowhere. It is now somewhere in the bowels of the Department for Education, and there is no indication of when it will be published. The EHRC, Falkner says, has been told by the government that it is “all very complex and we need to take our time over it”.

She doesn’t buy it. “We’ve had external counsel, internal counsel, everybody’s looked at it. I mean, I’m so certain of the lawfulness of our code that I don’t think I’ve ever been so certain about anything before,” she says. “The other explanation simply is that they’re terrified of their MPs who would wish for trans self-identification or trans inclusion to prevail across all areas of society, including Section 3 of the Equality Act, and would wish for the exemptions not to exist.” …

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/baroness-falkner-labour-was-the-party-of-feminism-not-any-more-fzgjxswgn

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Baroness Falkner: Labour was the party of feminism — not any more

The former EHRC chairwoman reflects on her work trying to draw the line between women’s rights and trans rights

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/baroness-falkner-labour-was-the-party-of-feminism-not-any-more-fzgjxswgn

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GallantKumquat · 07/12/2025 06:52

moto748e · 07/12/2025 00:36

I very much doubt she will ever take a stand in the way Baroness Falkner was prepared to do.

Maybe not, but it shouldn't be this hard, should it? To have to fight every inch of the way, against this baloney?

I hope that eventually Falkner will become remembered for the hero she is, and more important than just her very great significance as a GC voice in government.

She demonstrated how to bring a fanatically captured organization back in line with its defined objectives and make it fit for purpose again. Her accomplishments are practically unique. Look at the BBC (also Tory appointments tasked with overhaul, the NHS, OBR, or Trump's DOGE). Her work was the work of someone unafraid, with a high degree of personal integrity and a commitment to organization function, not just libertarian ideology. There are countless organizations which need this treatment and Falker's role is a template for how to accomplish it.

Floisme · 07/12/2025 06:48

I imagine we’ll find out pretty quickly what Mary Ann Stephenson is made of because I’m guessing that one of the first things she will be asked to do by this government is to take another look at that guidance and see if she can make it a little less, you know, complicated.

I could be wrong of course.

WarriorN · 07/12/2025 06:14

This is an amazing article, thank you

what a fantastic woman!

IwantToRetire · 07/12/2025 00:53

moto748e · 07/12/2025 00:36

I very much doubt she will ever take a stand in the way Baroness Falkner was prepared to do.

Maybe not, but it shouldn't be this hard, should it? To have to fight every inch of the way, against this baloney?

Totally agree.

And for all I know given politics and saving face, if as I suggest MAS is not as confrontational, she may be allowed to say things.

But whether this will make those with the power "do the rights thing" and formally implement the law as now ruled by the Supreme Court,

Whoever is in post should be supported by MPs, not undermined because the politicians are too busy virtue signaling.

moto748e · 07/12/2025 00:36

I very much doubt she will ever take a stand in the way Baroness Falkner was prepared to do.

Maybe not, but it shouldn't be this hard, should it? To have to fight every inch of the way, against this baloney?

IwantToRetire · 07/12/2025 00:18

re earlier comments about was Labour ever in support of feminism? No, but what they did have have women MPs who were committed to women's rights. eg Sex Discrimination Act, Equal Pay Act etc..

But dont forget many of those older Labour women MPs were part of NCCL who said that women's groups shouldn't be women only because that wasn't equality! And not forgetting their sorded support, which they later tried to play down, of PIE etc..

There is a huge difference between saying women should have rights is apsire to male standards, as opposed to being a feminist which is about having a women centred view of the world, meaning that 99.9% of the time women are in conflict with the ruling sex class.

IwantToRetire · 07/12/2025 00:14

Theeyeballsinthesky · 06/12/2025 11:07

The new chair is dr Mary Ann Stephenson. The usual suspects protested loudly about her appt because she'd been seen supporting gender critical opinions and the women and equalities committee wrote a sad faced letter saying they couldn't support her appt www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jul/31/mary-ann-stephenson-confirmed-as-ehrc-chair-despite-mps-objections

so I think she'll be fine

There were a couple of threads about MAS after her appointment and then the total disgrace that was the WEC questioning of her. ie sneering. They concluded she shouldn't be appointed, but were over ridden by Minister for Women.

But ... although MAS was accused of being anti trans, in fact the letter that was used to smear her was about the right to free speech.

I very much doubt she will ever take a stand in the way Baroness Falkner was prepared to do. (I am so in aware of her I feel I have to use her title rather than presume to use her name! Blush )

Iamnotalemming · 06/12/2025 19:35

What a wonderful woman. We are in her debt.

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ArabellaSaurus · 06/12/2025 17:03

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/12/2025 12:30

Why do you think they're so keen on girls being compelled to share everything with boys? That girls must be taught that they have no right to boundaries / single sex spaces? That men from the Beaumont society must be given access to every single sex space for girl and women?

Can't wait to hear more from them weighing in on just who should be allowed to watch teenage girls changing.

We need to start highlighting just what they're demanding and who it is they're expecting to give up their rights to privacy and safety. And get clear explanations from Labour about why they're supporting this.
Make them talk.

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Absolutely. Let the Beaumont Society Speak!

SternJoyousBeev2 · 06/12/2025 17:00

DecorMadness · 06/12/2025 09:24

They may be afraid to change the law. Trying to change it might bring more focus on it, and most would see a change for what it is - a blatant roll back of women’s rights and protections

This

its important to not shine any light on the impact of gender ideology because the more people know the less supportive they will be.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 06/12/2025 14:02

Llamasarellovely · 06/12/2025 13:53

Do we actually know injecting bleach doesn't cure covid? Shouldn't we experiment on a lot of children first, to make absolutely sure?

Or this:

Baroness Falkner: Labour Party has abandoned women and feminism
Llamasarellovely · 06/12/2025 13:53

plantcomplex · 06/12/2025 11:30

This should age well:

The Beaumont Society, the longest-established transgender support group in the UK, said of the decision of the NFWI and Girlguiding: “This is a backward step in both the law and in society and will, in time be found to be as unsupportable as similar pseudosciences such as vaccines causing autism, or phrenology, or polygenism or injecting bleach to cure Covid.”

Do we actually know injecting bleach doesn't cure covid? Shouldn't we experiment on a lot of children first, to make absolutely sure?

Witchymadwoman · 06/12/2025 13:12

Howseitgoin · 06/12/2025 06:19

Given she's completely clueless about the legal implications of a hasty approval of government regulations, she certainly couldn't have left a moment sooner….

Of course had she had to put her own money on the line for the inevitable legal fall out rather than the tax payer's she'd be at a snails pace…

It’s not her that is clueless.

Abhannmor · 06/12/2025 13:09

@DecorMadness has it. The TRA know full well that any campaign for new laws to erode women's rights via some Amendment will be unpopular. Putting it diplomatically. So whining and smears will be the tactics.
Until that blessed day that Zack has his photo taken outside no 10....

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/12/2025 12:30

plantcomplex · 06/12/2025 11:30

This should age well:

The Beaumont Society, the longest-established transgender support group in the UK, said of the decision of the NFWI and Girlguiding: “This is a backward step in both the law and in society and will, in time be found to be as unsupportable as similar pseudosciences such as vaccines causing autism, or phrenology, or polygenism or injecting bleach to cure Covid.”

Why do you think they're so keen on girls being compelled to share everything with boys? That girls must be taught that they have no right to boundaries / single sex spaces? That men from the Beaumont society must be given access to every single sex space for girl and women?

Can't wait to hear more from them weighing in on just who should be allowed to watch teenage girls changing.

We need to start highlighting just what they're demanding and who it is they're expecting to give up their rights to privacy and safety. And get clear explanations from Labour about why they're supporting this.
Make them talk.

PachacutisBadAuntie · 06/12/2025 12:13

plantcomplex · 06/12/2025 11:30

This should age well:

The Beaumont Society, the longest-established transgender support group in the UK, said of the decision of the NFWI and Girlguiding: “This is a backward step in both the law and in society and will, in time be found to be as unsupportable as similar pseudosciences such as vaccines causing autism, or phrenology, or polygenism or injecting bleach to cure Covid.”

Oh, the irony.

Signalbox · 06/12/2025 11:38

DecorMadness · 06/12/2025 09:24

They may be afraid to change the law. Trying to change it might bring more focus on it, and most would see a change for what it is - a blatant roll back of women’s rights and protections

Exactly. They would need to make the law clear that if men say they are women they would be entitled to access to every service designed for women and be recognised as women when providing a service to others. They wouldn’t get away with fudging the law this time around. It would need to be explicitly anti-woman. Not a good look for Labour and they know it.

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plantcomplex · 06/12/2025 11:30

impossibletoday · 06/12/2025 08:16

Labour has abandoned women, says former EHRC chief

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/37c7d0dcd718d8fb

This should age well:

The Beaumont Society, the longest-established transgender support group in the UK, said of the decision of the NFWI and Girlguiding: “This is a backward step in both the law and in society and will, in time be found to be as unsupportable as similar pseudosciences such as vaccines causing autism, or phrenology, or polygenism or injecting bleach to cure Covid.”

bombastix · 06/12/2025 11:20

Well that’s good about the new appointment but I hope Dr Stephenson is actually supported to lead. Seems like bad omens for her already

Theeyeballsinthesky · 06/12/2025 11:07

bombastix · 06/12/2025 10:52

I am not convinced either that the Labour Party is the party of feminism. No party is.

Good for her, however. Her successor will not be as brave because if her leadership was supported now she would not be leaving or giving this interview. There will be a move to get someone who is trans or trans friendly.

The new chair is dr Mary Ann Stephenson. The usual suspects protested loudly about her appt because she'd been seen supporting gender critical opinions and the women and equalities committee wrote a sad faced letter saying they couldn't support her appt www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jul/31/mary-ann-stephenson-confirmed-as-ehrc-chair-despite-mps-objections

so I think she'll be fine

moto748e · 06/12/2025 10:54

What an admirable and impressive woman she is.

bombastix · 06/12/2025 10:52

I am not convinced either that the Labour Party is the party of feminism. No party is.

Good for her, however. Her successor will not be as brave because if her leadership was supported now she would not be leaving or giving this interview. There will be a move to get someone who is trans or trans friendly.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/12/2025 10:47

She's been fantastic, not cowering in the face of extreme hate from the men wanting to decriminalise voyeurism and indecent exposure.
Very pleased she's in the HoL where there are a large number of wise peers supporting women's rights and the need to safeguard children.