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Excellent speech by Rebecca Paul MP demanding immediate action to remove biological males from women's prisons.

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Childrenofthestones · 04/12/2025 14:01

Great speech.

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Hedgehogsrightsarehumanrights · 04/12/2025 15:47

@CointreauVersial Bla bla bla trans women are men, and it is illegal to place them in a female estate

end of debate

timesublimelysilencesthewhys · 04/12/2025 15:44

You are correct, coin. The idea that these men are vulnerable and the women prisoners dont deserve female only space because some of them are sex offenders is not something we like to hear on a feminist board.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 04/12/2025 15:39

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MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 04/12/2025 15:38

CointreauVersial · 04/12/2025 15:35

Interesting speech.....seeing as she's my local MP, and DD1 is a prison officer in a female prison (although not Downview).

DD1’s view is this (and you probably don’t want to hear it)…..it’s fearmongering to a large degree. It’s allowed only in exceptional circumstances, and the group at Downview are the only ones. Trans prisoners are like any other prisoner, and they are continually and individually risk-assessed, and there’s a lot of intel that goes into this. If any were deemed to be a threat to others (or at risk themselves) they would be kept segregated and/or lose their right to associate; this is absolutely no different to any biological female prisoner who was threatening or violent towards others, or was felt to pose a risk. Incidentally, there are plenty of biological females wandering around our prisons who were convicted of violence towards other women, and of sexual/child abuse offences.

To be clear, this is a tiny group we are talking about, and only in one prison. DD1’s prison has no trans women at all.

However, trans women are between a rock and a hard place. The alternative is for them to go into the male estate, as most do, where they are classed as vulnerable and have to be kept segregated, like paedophiles or child killers are currently. They are not generally safe in the male prison population.

Contrast this with trans men in a female prison - they mix freely with the general population, and there are no issues specifically around them being trans.

Rebecca's comment about protecting prison officer safety was nonsensical, as both male and female officers work across both estates. They are no less “safe” around trans prisoners than they are around the general prison population, many of whom are not nice people.

Her comments about mental health and history of domestic abuse amongst female prisoners were spot on. They are indeed hugely vulnerable.

Thanks for sharing that... some interesting insights.

CointreauVersial · 04/12/2025 15:35

Interesting speech.....seeing as she's my local MP, and DD1 is a prison officer in a female prison (although not Downview).

DD1’s view is this (and you probably don’t want to hear it)…..it’s fearmongering to a large degree. It’s allowed only in exceptional circumstances, and the group at Downview are the only ones. Trans prisoners are like any other prisoner, and they are continually and individually risk-assessed, and there’s a lot of intel that goes into this. If any were deemed to be a threat to others (or at risk themselves) they would be kept segregated and/or lose their right to associate; this is absolutely no different to any biological female prisoner who was threatening or violent towards others, or was felt to pose a risk. Incidentally, there are plenty of biological females wandering around our prisons who were convicted of violence towards other women, and of sexual/child abuse offences.

To be clear, this is a tiny group we are talking about, and only in one prison. DD1’s prison has no trans women at all.

However, trans women are between a rock and a hard place. The alternative is for them to go into the male estate, as most do, where they are classed as vulnerable and have to be kept segregated, like paedophiles or child killers are currently. They are not generally safe in the male prison population.

Contrast this with trans men in a female prison - they mix freely with the general population, and there are no issues specifically around them being trans.

Rebecca's comment about protecting prison officer safety was nonsensical, as both male and female officers work across both estates. They are no less “safe” around trans prisoners than they are around the general prison population, many of whom are not nice people.

Her comments about mental health and history of domestic abuse amongst female prisoners were spot on. They are indeed hugely vulnerable.

Grammarnut · 04/12/2025 14:29

Excellent speech. But what is the government doing about this scandal?