Still no BBC report on the Girl Guides change of policy

Just to add to this, I received a request today from GGs to feed into their new "taskforce to explore new opportunities for trans girls, trans young women and trans women" and it asked for my view so I wrote that GGs should not be open to trans girls or trans women. So at least they have my opinion for what its worth.

I did also wonder how a charity which presumably has explicitly female focused aims, can then legally dedicate time and resources to a non-female section of society?

Thanks.
so much for their much vaunted ‘inclusivity’, and the idea that they don’t support gender stereotypes.

I agree to some extent. My only concern is how deeply entrenched campaigning on behalf of the QT+ and reification of gender stereotypes has now become within Guiding. Any girl, no matter how she identifies or how confused she is, should be welcome at Rainbows, Brownies and Guides. The way she dresses, her interests and whether she conforms to stereotypes should not be an issue either way. Rather than being the tolerant and accepting place that guiding used to be when I and my DCs were young enough to be members, it's now an environment where children are labelled and put into boxes and where having a special identity is 'celebrated' in a way that is potentially damaging to child development and identity formation. You only have to look at the replies to the Girl Guides' announcement on Facebook to see how effective the brainwashing has been. It's also really alarming that some Leaders are using the movement as a way of validating their sons' special identities and for performative virtue signalling.

I know not all groups will be affected, but it's clear that it's not just the top of the organisation that has been captured, they need a root and branch reset. I've been really shocked that so many are prioritising boys over making Guiding a welcoming movement for girls whose faith, culture or life experiences make participation in mixed-sex activities difficult or impossible. They've lost sight of why they exist in the first place.

@Lebkuched there are a lot of girls out there who have been in brownies and guides and are very confused about who they are and it is in their best interests to be allowed to continue go to guides. I also think that there is a benefit to including trans boys as it gives them a safe space to be themselves and without the complication of biological boys being in the same space.

Yes, this was the case before Helen Watts and I brought the story to the media (at the time, I was unnamed - we're probably talking 2018-19). We made a huge fuss (I had an anonymous Twitter account, now long gone) and they had to change the policy on girls who identified as trans.

Yes.

Still not acceptable and unbiased headlines imho.

Female/male are sexed.

It says 'Biological girls who identify as boys are still able to join'

Headline should be "Males no longer allowed to join girl guides".

Trans girls already leads people to have an image of a sad girl being banned from girl guides, instead of a boy sat at home playing with his trucks and his parents putting a skirt on him and sending him off to girl guides.

Ditto

Indeed

Wow I didn’t know that.

Surely just easier for kids who are identifying out of their biological sex to join the Scouts which take allcomers?

My dd enjoyed army cadets too, loads of ND people and lots of differently identifying people, all in the same uniform doing the same activities. Basically gender neutral.

I may have misremembered but I think at one point in this sorry story girl members who ‘transitioned’ were encouraged to leave. @KatieAlcockprobably has accurate knowledge on this.

Yes, trans “boys” were not permitted to join, because they are boys 🙄

Can I ask a question? Pre the new rules were trans boys excluded from being in guides?

I would dearly love for the headline to simply read: boys no longer allowed to join girl guides and brownies.

The use of "trans girls" was extremely confusing for people who haven't followed this debate. They mean "boys".

This was reported by the BBC all day yesterday. Why start the thread without checking?

I couldn’t find it on the bbc app earlier in the day - when I looked just after 7pm yesterday it appeared to have only been published a few minutes before. I assume the op had also been looking online.

They’re still trying to play it down IMO.

I was disappointed the item on the six o clock news was so brief. I'd hoped it might have made a good number of people who think this isn't an issue (generally,not just GG) prick up their ears and think "Hang on a mo....".

But, baby steps.

It was reported on the BBC morning news service, i listened to it.

I think you re looking for a fight

A better point to argue over is why on earth does this policy only applies to new members, not existing... insanity.

headline on radio 4 news yesterday

To make sure all of its members are actually the sex they are supposed to be...

I heard it on radio 4 last night.

Why would an organisation that’s supposed to be single sex ever have needed to collect data on sex?! The membership should be 100% female, the women-only posts should be 100% female. The only group for which it should ever have been relevant is the other adult positions which are open to men.
Thats the horrible irony of the situation - the whole raison d’être of this organisation is because sex and sexism matters and ‘gender’ tends to particularly oppress girls.