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Girlguiding - Supreme Court Decision email

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ProfMummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 02/12/2025 14:07

Have just had an email from them...

As the parent of a young member in Girlguiding, following April’s Supreme Court decision relating to sex and gender, we wanted to give you an update. Many organisations across the country have been facing complex decisions about what it means for girls and women and for the wider communities affected, including us.

Girlguiding’s governing charity documents set out that the membership and people who benefit from our organisation are girls and women. In April, the Supreme Court ruled that girls and women are defined in the Equality Act 2010 by their biological sex at birth.

Following detailed considerations, expert legal advice and input from senior members, young members and our Council, Girlguiding’s Board of Trustees has made the difficult decision that Girlguiding must change Girlguiding must change, following the Supreme Court’s ruling.

From today, 2 December, it is with a heavy heart that we are announcing trans girls and young women will no longer be able to join Girlguiding. This is a decision we would have preferred not to make, and we know that this may be upsetting for members of our community.

There will be no immediate changes for current young members but more information will be shared next week.

Most adult roles, including unit helpers, district helpers and administrative support, are already open to all, so we are confident that no volunteers will have to leave the organisation.

Girlguiding believes strongly in our value of inclusion, and we will continue to support young people and adults in marginalised groups. Over the next few months, we'll explore opportunities to champion this value and actively support young people who need us.

You can find our full statement and updated policy on our website.

We are proud to be the UK’s largest youth organisation dedicated to girls and is focused on creating an equal world for girls and young women. For over 100 years, we have been a welcoming space for all girls to have new experiences, support their communities, build friendships and grow their confidence.

While Girlguiding may feel a little different going forward, these core aims and principles will always be the same. We remain committed to treating everyone with dignity and respect, particularly those from marginalised groups that have felt the biggest impact of this decision.

If you have any immediate questions, we have our special support team in place, to give volunteers, parents and carers the best support we can. We are asking Girlguiding HQ, trading and country/region staff to refer any volunteer or parent who has questions about this announcement.

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CautiousLurker2 · 04/12/2025 17:53

OneLoftyPombear · 04/12/2025 17:50

i believe trans women should be allowed into lesbian bars but I believe it’s a whole other issue around consent if these trans women do not disclose it to cis women. It should be disclosed because it’s part of consent

So lesbian women are entitled to a lesser degree of honesty and safeguarding protection than non-lesbians? (NB the lesbians may or may not also describe themselves as Cis, by the way.)

The homophobia is strong in this one.

EmpressaurusKitty · 04/12/2025 17:52

When I came out in the 1990s there was a fabulous lesbian community out there - bars, quiz nights, dinner clubs, book groups, a helpline, & all single sex because that was what being lesbian was.

And now the only lesbian groups I know of have to go underground to keep the men out.

OneLoftyPombear · 04/12/2025 17:50

FrippEnos · 04/12/2025 17:44

Or the Trans protests about Lesbian only bars.

Isn't it strange how its only now that the TRAs give a fuck about Lesbians.

i believe trans women should be allowed into lesbian bars but I believe it’s a whole other issue around consent if these trans women do not disclose it to cis women. It should be disclosed because it’s part of consent

OneLoftyPombear · 04/12/2025 17:45

TheNightingalesStarling · 04/12/2025 17:43

My 12yo lesbian DD has already had bullying from some called Trans Rights Activists.

The common being... Are you really a girl.
Because apparently like Science Fiction and Crime novels, being good at Maths and playing Rugby isn't "Feminine".

That’s disgusting and I have to be honest this line is not acceptable and I’m sorry your daughter has to experience that.
girls and boys should all be allowed there space and freedom to find there identity and enjoy what they enjoy without other people telling them who they are or who they should be

FrippEnos · 04/12/2025 17:44

SternJoyousBeev2 · 04/12/2025 17:40

Or have a lesbian group without men joining. Being able to meet up without the venue cancelling because of threats from TRAs.

Or the Trans protests about Lesbian only bars.

Isn't it strange how its only now that the TRAs give a fuck about Lesbians.

TheNightingalesStarling · 04/12/2025 17:43

SternJoyousBeev2 · 04/12/2025 17:38

The gaslighting is off the charts.I have to keep checking it’s not April 1st

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My 12yo lesbian DD has already had bullying from some called Trans Rights Activists.

The common being... Are you really a girl.
Because apparently like Science Fiction and Crime novels, being good at Maths and playing Rugby isn't "Feminine".

OneLoftyPombear · 04/12/2025 17:40

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SternJoyousBeev2 · 04/12/2025 17:40

FrippEnos · 04/12/2025 17:35

Except that some of us did stand up for Lesbians when they were not allowed to march in pride, or should date trans women and enjoy 'lady dick'

Or have a lesbian group without men joining. Being able to meet up without the venue cancelling because of threats from TRAs.

SternJoyousBeev2 · 04/12/2025 17:38

JanesLittleGirl · 04/12/2025 17:35

I almost started to think about this post but then I remembered that trans ideology is generally homophobic and specifically lesbophobic.

The gaslighting is off the charts.I have to keep checking it’s not April 1st

TheNightingalesStarling · 04/12/2025 17:36

Was not expecting Godwin Law.

But seriously, given the number who appear to think Safeguarding just means taking someone's word for it that they are good, I shouldn't be surprised.

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Except that some of us did stand up for Lesbians when they were not allowed to march in pride, or should date trans women and enjoy 'lady dick'

JanesLittleGirl · 04/12/2025 17:35

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I almost started to think about this post but then I remembered that trans ideology is generally homophobic and specifically lesbophobic.

SternJoyousBeev2 · 04/12/2025 17:32

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Utter fucking bullshit! Stop projecting

Lovelyview · 04/12/2025 17:31

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It is not how it starts. Men have invaded women's spaces. Men have been told they must stop invading women's spaces. The end.

ProfessorBettyBooper · 04/12/2025 17:30

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Yes, this is exactly how it happened with the Nazis

First they stopped boys going to girl guides.

🙄

OneLoftyPombear · 04/12/2025 17:27

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pawsedforthought · 04/12/2025 17:15

SternJoyousBeev2 · 04/12/2025 13:09

I think the midwife flipped a coin 🤷‍♀️

I just imagine the fairy midwife skipping round the maternity ward giving out blue and pink stickers at random

Lovelyview · 04/12/2025 17:13

OneLoftyPombear · 04/12/2025 13:36

So we can say it as it is, it’s anti LGBTQIA+ and there is no 2 ways about it. How long before people say no lesbians as they might attack someone or look at another girl in a single sex space

Bugger off. Lesbians are women. No-one will ban them from women's spaces.

LostMySocks · 04/12/2025 17:07

OneLoftyPombear · 04/12/2025 13:56

That these changes are making some of the most vulnerable in society even more vulnerable.

and if we are happy to exclude a group and make there life worse for what in essence is little to no gain apart from perceived safe guarding concerns with no evidence then I hope you are happy as if one trans girl dies as a result of your hatred towards them it’ll be on all your hands (this has probably already happened)

This group may well be vulnerable and deserve protection.
It is not the job of young girls to act as shields. Guiding is their single sex space for their own personal development.

LostMySocks · 04/12/2025 17:05

Silverbirchleaf · 04/12/2025 13:49

Does anyone else feel nervous in posting on Facebook etc in support of the statement?

Yes most definitely.
I've drafted an email to HQ but am nervous of sending it.

CautiousLurker2 · 04/12/2025 16:56

Helleofabore · 04/12/2025 15:52

You know what is fucking remarkable, the constant attempt to fucking dismiss and discredit people due to swearing.

I have realised it is most likely the same people doing that censuring though.

Imagine feeling that censuring adult women for fucking swearing is going to show you have a better, carefully considered position that you (general you) can articulate well.

Fucking unbelievable, isn’t it?

NeverDropYourMooncup · 04/12/2025 16:24

Helleofabore · 04/12/2025 15:52

You know what is fucking remarkable, the constant attempt to fucking dismiss and discredit people due to swearing.

I have realised it is most likely the same people doing that censuring though.

Imagine feeling that censuring adult women for fucking swearing is going to show you have a better, carefully considered position that you (general you) can articulate well.

We're not feminine enough if we fucking swear, are we?

So it logically follows that they're actually complaining about men that dont know they're men despite our resolutely male vocabulary overriding our bodies, I guess.

Oh, the transphobia!

Helleofabore · 04/12/2025 16:12

TheNightingalesStarling · 04/12/2025 16:05

Not on this thread but on Facebook...
Girls commitvSA on other girls so adding Trans girls isn't an extra risk.

yes, we have seen this fallacy used plenty of times.

The statistics never actually support this fallacy though... strange that. Almost like it was simply an emotionally manipulative sound bite rather than an evidenced observation.

GailBlancheViola · 04/12/2025 16:08

Helleofabore · 04/12/2025 15:52

You know what is fucking remarkable, the constant attempt to fucking dismiss and discredit people due to swearing.

I have realised it is most likely the same people doing that censuring though.

Imagine feeling that censuring adult women for fucking swearing is going to show you have a better, carefully considered position that you (general you) can articulate well.

Determination to police language and tone used by women in an attempt to discredit what they are saying it is yet another tactic straight out of the TRA and Allies Misogyny Handbook.

TheNightingalesStarling · 04/12/2025 16:05

Not on this thread but on Facebook...
Girls commitvSA on other girls so adding Trans girls isn't an extra risk.

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