Girlguiding - Supreme Court Decision email

i was going to suggest returning to reddit @OneLoftyPombear but this is going to pour gallons of disinfectant and peak trans many more people. Please do carry on!

Trans people in the UK do not have the same rights as everyone else in several concrete ways.

A trans woman (even with a Gender Recognition Certificate) can be legally excluded from women’s refuges, hospital wards, prisons, changing rooms, toilets and support groups whenever the provider wants. A cis woman cannot be excluded from those same spaces.

A trans woman is banned from competing in the female category of virtually every elite sport. Cis women face no such blanket ban.

Trans people under 18 are banned from accessing puberty blockers or hormones on the NHS and now privately too, no matter what doctors or parents think is best. Cis teenagers with medical needs get treatment.

Adult trans people wait five to ten years for a first NHS appointment and many GPs still refuse to prescribe hormones even when told to by a specialist. Cis patients do not face that delay or refusal for comparable healthcare.

There is still no self-ID. Changing your birth certificate requires a panel, a dysphoria diagnosis and two years of evidence. Most countries in Europe ditched that system years ago.

Even with a GRC your legal sex for the purposes of the Equality Act remains your birth sex, as confirmed by the Supreme Court this year. So the certificate changes almost nothing in practice.

Trans pupils can be forced to use facilities matching their birth sex and schools are now told to prioritise teaching “biological sex” over social transition.
Those are not theoretical gaps. They are daily,
enforceable differences in rights that no cis person has to deal with.

Trans people in the UK do not have the same rights as everyone else in several concrete ways.

A trans woman (even with a Gender Recognition Certificate) can be legally excluded from women’s refuges, hospital wards, prisons, changing rooms, toilets and support groups whenever the provider wants. A cis woman cannot be excluded from those same spaces.

A trans woman is banned from competing in the female category of virtually every elite sport. Cis women face no such blanket ban.

Trans people under 18 are banned from accessing puberty blockers or hormones on the NHS and now privately too, no matter what doctors or parents think is best. Cis teenagers with medical needs get treatment.

Adult trans people wait five to ten years for a first NHS appointment and many GPs still refuse to prescribe hormones even when told to by a specialist. Cis patients do not face that delay or refusal for comparable healthcare.

There is still no self-ID. Changing your birth certificate requires a panel, a dysphoria diagnosis and two years of evidence. Most countries in Europe ditched that system years ago.

Even with a GRC your legal sex for the purposes of the Equality Act remains your birth sex, as confirmed by the Supreme Court this year. So the certificate changes almost nothing in practice.

Trans pupils can be forced to use facilities matching their birth sex and schools are now told to prioritise teaching “biological sex” over social transition.
Those are not theoretical gaps. They are daily,
enforceable differences in rights that no cis person has to deal with.

This is my concern but obviously given My circumstances I’m also passionate about rights for trans people

Trans people in the UK do not have the same rights as everyone else in several concrete ways.

A trans woman (even with a Gender Recognition Certificate) can be legally excluded from women’s refuges, hospital wards, prisons, changing rooms, toilets and support groups whenever the provider wants. A cis woman cannot be excluded from those same spaces.

A trans woman is banned from competing in the female category of virtually every elite sport. Cis women face no such blanket ban.

Trans people under 18 are banned from accessing puberty blockers or hormones on the NHS and now privately too, no matter what doctors or parents think is best. Cis teenagers with medical needs get treatment.

Adult trans people wait five to ten years for a first NHS appointment and many GPs still refuse to prescribe hormones even when told to by a specialist. Cis patients do not face that delay or refusal for comparable healthcare.

There is still no self-ID. Changing your birth certificate requires a panel, a dysphoria diagnosis and two years of evidence. Most countries in Europe ditched that system years ago.

Even with a GRC your legal sex for the purposes of the Equality Act remains your birth sex, as confirmed by the Supreme Court this year. So the certificate changes almost nothing in practice.

Trans pupils can be forced to use facilities matching their birth sex and schools are now told to prioritise teaching “biological sex” over social transition.
Those are not theoretical gaps. They are daily,
enforceable differences in rights that no cis person has to deal with.

OneLoftyPombear

I thought you were concerned about your trans identifying daughter, who wants to join the guides?

And now you write screed, after screed, as to why men must be able to access lesbians in their own spaces?

Trans people in the UK do not have the same rights as everyone else in several concrete ways.

A trans woman (even with a Gender Recognition Certificate) can be legally excluded from women’s refuges, hospital wards, prisons, changing rooms, toilets and support groups whenever the provider wants. A cis woman cannot be excluded from those same spaces.

A trans woman is banned from competing in the female category of virtually every elite sport. Cis women face no such blanket ban.

Trans people under 18 are banned from accessing puberty blockers or hormones on the NHS and now privately too, no matter what doctors or parents think is best. Cis teenagers with medical needs get treatment.

Adult trans people wait five to ten years for a first NHS appointment and many GPs still refuse to prescribe hormones even when told to by a specialist. Cis patients do not face that delay or refusal for comparable healthcare.

There is still no self-ID. Changing your birth certificate requires a panel, a dysphoria diagnosis and two years of evidence. Most countries in Europe ditched that system years ago.

Even with a GRC your legal sex for the purposes of the Equality Act remains your birth sex, as confirmed by the Supreme Court this year. So the certificate changes almost nothing in practice.

Trans pupils can be forced to use facilities matching their birth sex and schools are now told to prioritise teaching “biological sex” over social transition.
Those are not theoretical gaps. They are daily,
enforceable differences in rights that no cis person has to deal with.

Trans people in the UK do not have the same rights as everyone else in several concrete ways.

A trans woman (even with a Gender Recognition Certificate) can be legally excluded from women’s refuges, hospital wards, prisons, changing rooms, toilets and support groups whenever the provider wants. A cis woman cannot be excluded from those same spaces.

A trans woman is banned from competing in the female category of virtually every elite sport. Cis women face no such blanket ban.

Trans people under 18 are banned from accessing puberty blockers or hormones on the NHS and now privately too, no matter what doctors or parents think is best. Cis teenagers with medical needs get treatment.

Adult trans people wait five to ten years for a first NHS appointment and many GPs still refuse to prescribe hormones even when told to by a specialist. Cis patients do not face that delay or refusal for comparable healthcare.

There is still no self-ID. Changing your birth certificate requires a panel, a dysphoria diagnosis and two years of evidence. Most countries in Europe ditched that system years ago.

Even with a GRC your legal sex for the purposes of the Equality Act remains your birth sex, as confirmed by the Supreme Court this year. So the certificate changes almost nothing in practice.

Trans pupils can be forced to use facilities matching their birth sex and schools are now told to prioritise teaching “biological sex” over social transition.
Those are not theoretical gaps. They are daily,
enforceable differences in rights that no cis person has to deal with.

so @OneLoftyPombear you’re a male, married to a female, (hetero relationship) with a trans kid?

Stop forcing your views on other people, you don’t have a right to tell people what they should identify as. It’s like saying I think all TERFs are just closeted trans men complete crap both statements

Can we assume your “wife” is male?

What rights do trans people NOT have that everyone else has DuchessFaceRobbin? This question is often asked yet never answered, perhaps you could break the spell and tell us.

Stop forcing your views on other people, you don’t have a right to tell people what they should identify as. It’s like saying I think all TERFs are just closeted trans men complete crap both statements

Lesbians aren’t a monolith, and the idea that every single lesbian is repulsed by trans women is a myth pushed by a loud minority.

Real life isn’t a YouGov poll from 2019 or a Detroit study that conveniently only asked people who already hate the idea. Plenty of lesbians are perfectly happy dating, sleeping with, and loving trans women. You only have to look at actual relationships to see it.

Thousands of lesbians are partnered with trans women right now. They post on Reddit (r/actuallesbians has been full of happy trans/lesbian couples for years), they’re on TikTok, they’re at Pride holding hands, they’re getting married. The lesbian scene in cities like London, Manchester, Brighton and Glasgow is full of cis lesbians who actively seek out trans girlfriends because they’re attracted to women, full stop, not to a specific surgical history or chromosome checklist.

Sexual orientation is about gender, not genitals. The whole “nobody is attracted to a piece of paper” line from FWS was about legal sex for single-sex spaces, not about who you fall in love with.

Attraction is messy and individual. Some lesbians love trans women pre-op, some prefer post-op, some don’t care either way. Insisting every lesbian must reject trans women is just trying to police women’s sexuality all over again.

Lesbian bars and dating apps that are genuinely welcoming to trans women don’t “collapse”; they thrive. L-Word nights in Soho, the Her app’s trans-inclusive filters, Club Revenge in Brighton, they’re packed. The venues that struggle are the ones that deliberately exclude trans women and then wonder why younger lesbians walk away.

Being a lesbian means loving women. Trans women are women. If a lesbian is into her, great. If she isn’t, also fine, nobody is forcing anyone into bed. But pretending trans women have no place in lesbian spaces at all is gatekeeping, not protecting homosexuality. It just leaves happy, real-life lesbian/trans couples on the outside looking in, and that’s the actual homophobia.

Yes, there are studies and surveys showing that a notable portion of lesbians are open to dating trans women, though rates vary and attraction is always individual.

The most cited one is Blair and Hoskin’s 2019 study on dating preferences, with 958 participants (mostly young adults in North America). It found that 29 per cent of lesbians were willing to consider trans partners, though many showed a bias towards trans men over trans women (likely due to social stigmas around transfemininity). Still, that means nearly one in three lesbians in the sample were open in principle, and real-world anecdotes from the study and beyond confirm actual relationships happen.
A 2025 vignette study echoed this, finding 28.8 per cent of lesbian women interested in dating a transgender person.

A 2023 YouGov poll in the UK showed 84 per cent of cis lesbians holding a positive view of trans people, far higher than the general public, with many expressing support for trans inclusion in lesbian spaces and relationships.

A 2023 Reddit discussion in r/actuallesbians referenced a UK poll where 84 per cent of lesbians supported trans women (higher than any other cis group), and another stat showing 96 per cent of Gen Z lesbians are trans-positive, with a “significant chunk” willing to date trans women if they present femininely. Users there shared stories of long-term partnerships with trans women, pre- and post-op.
Justin Lehmiller’s 2018 survey of over 4,000 Americans found one in four women (including lesbians) had fantasised about sex with a trans partner, suggesting underlying attraction exists even if not always acted on.

These aren’t huge majorities, but they debunk the idea that no lesbians date trans women. Plenty do, as seen in communities like TikTok, Pride events, and apps like Her. It’s not about forcing attraction, just recognising that for many lesbians, trans women are women they can love.

so please see that you are speaking for Gen Z and my guess is you’re a 50 year old lady behind a keyboard who knows little.

Me and my wife will happily still go to them thank you and if my trans daughter when she is older would like to come she’s more than welcome to

Me and my wife will happily still go to them thank you and if my trans daughter when she is older would like to come she’s more than welcome to

Me and my wife will happily still go to them thank you and if my trans daughter when she is older would like to come she’s more than welcome to

Me and my wife will happily still go to them thank you and if my trans daughter when she is older would like to come she’s more than welcome to

a lesbian in a relationship with a transwoman is bisexual. The End.