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Girlguiding - WIN!

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Elevenseconds · 02/12/2025 14:06

Just received this fabulous message from Girlguiding - hurrah! The tone is peevish, but the result is what matters.

Slight pity that DD is leaving Brownies later this week - and I didn't encourage her to step up for Guides, partly because of their policies worrying me as she got older.

This is a really significant moment.

As the parent of a young member in Girlguiding, following April’s Supreme Court decision relating to sex and gender, we wanted to give you an update. Many organisations across the country have been facing complex decisions about what it means for girls and women and for the wider communities affected, including us.

Girlguiding’s governing charity documents set out that the membership and people who benefit from our organisation are girls and women. In April, the Supreme Court ruled that girls and women are defined in the Equality Act 2010 by their biological sex at birth.
Following detailed considerations, expert legal advice and input from senior members, young members and our Council, Girlguiding’s Board of Trustees has made the difficult decision that Girlguiding must change Girlguiding must change, following the Supreme Court’s ruling.

From today, 2 December, it is with a heavy heart that we are announcing trans girls and young women will no longer be able to join Girlguiding. This is a decision we would have preferred not to make, and we know that this may be upsetting for members of our community.

There will be no immediate changes for current young members but more information will be shared next week.

Most adult roles, including unit helpers, district helpers and administrative support, are already open to all, so we are confident that no volunteers will have to leave the organisation.

Girlguiding believes strongly in our value of inclusion, and we will continue to support young people and adults in marginalised groups. Over the next few months, we'll explore opportunities to champion this value and actively support young people who need us.

You can find our full statement and updated policy on our website.

We are proud to be the UK’s largest youth organisation dedicated to girls and is focused on creating an equal world for girls and young women. For over 100 years, we have been a welcoming space for all girls to have new experiences, support their communities, build friendships and grow their confidence.

While Girlguiding may feel a little different going forward, these core aims and principles will always be the same. We remain committed to treating everyone with dignity and respect, particularly those from marginalised groups that have felt the biggest impact of this decision.

If you have any immediate questions, we have our special support team in place, to give volunteers, parents and carers the best support we can. We are asking Girlguiding HQ, trading and country/region staff to refer any volunteer or parent who has questions about this announcement. Details below.

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ScrollingLeaves · 02/12/2025 15:32

ThatZanyFatball · 02/12/2025 15:23

Yes and per below sounds like they're going to try to force their members to participate in all sorts of pro-trans activities.

"Girlguiding believes strongly in our value of inclusion, and we will continue to support young people and adults in marginalised groups. Over the next few months, we'll explore opportunities to champion this value and actively support young people who need us."

And will no doubt do lots of pro trans ideology grooming, ‘educating’ and affirming.

WelshBookWitch · 02/12/2025 15:30

Im reading the Guide leaders closed Facebook group, there is a lot of wailing going on but a steady amount of leaders quietly saying they are pleased. They are being largely ignored which is an improvement on the threats to be reported to their commissioner we used to previously.
I feel 95% of leaders are just happy to be able to carry on and know they can now say no if a TIM wants to join. I know i am

Beamur · 02/12/2025 15:29

GG wound up their overseas operations smartish when they decided to withdraw from that, so I hope they show the same approach to this.
I would have thought by the end of the summer term at the latest.

LeftieRightsHoarder · 02/12/2025 15:27

Girlguiding believes strongly in our value of inclusion, and we will continue to support young people and adults in marginalised groups

That's excellent! So, I presume, lots of activities for girls with learning difficulties, sign language sessions for everyone so those with a hearing deficit don't get left out, information easily available in braille, obviously all sites wheelchair-accessible, and ....

Or perhaps not.

SchoolGuidanceQ · 02/12/2025 15:26

Jollyjoy · 02/12/2025 14:27

Just got the email and came here to celebrate. I think I will send a ‘well done’ email to their ‘heavy hearted’ well-being email address. I do understand the tone in the sense of this is real young, troubled boys, who will be getting chucked out and that is really hard. But they should never have put those boys in that position in the first place, they should be apologising to them.

worth commenting on their instagram and facebook if you can face it. At the moment Instagram has the intro line 'this update includes information you may find upsetting. Please take care when reading' and then everyone commenting on how disappointing this new stance is, with plenty of trans flags for good measure

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 02/12/2025 15:25

charcoalandsugar · 02/12/2025 15:17

We should all write expressing our delight and relief and question this section

"There will be no immediate changes for current young members but more information will be shared next week.
Most adult roles, including unit helpers, district helpers and administrative support, are already open to all, so we are confident that no volunteers will have to leave the organisation."

Well it would not be fair to throw children out tomorrow - they have friends and social networks, they are kids - I'd expect like 3 months or whatever for new arrangements to be made maybe?

ThatZanyFatball · 02/12/2025 15:23

Cactiiii · 02/12/2025 14:12

But still trans volunteers allowed…

Yes and per below sounds like they're going to try to force their members to participate in all sorts of pro-trans activities.

"Girlguiding believes strongly in our value of inclusion, and we will continue to support young people and adults in marginalised groups. Over the next few months, we'll explore opportunities to champion this value and actively support young people who need us."

charcoalandsugar · 02/12/2025 15:18

MatronPomfrey · 02/12/2025 15:08

Fantastic news, my daughter thrives in the all girl environment. Facebook comments are of course full of women saying how awful this is. I’m sure the silent majority are relieved.

Can you link to the facebook page so we can express our relief

charcoalandsugar · 02/12/2025 15:17

We should all write expressing our delight and relief and question this section

"There will be no immediate changes for current young members but more information will be shared next week.
Most adult roles, including unit helpers, district helpers and administrative support, are already open to all, so we are confident that no volunteers will have to leave the organisation."

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 02/12/2025 15:12

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socialdilemmawhattodo · 02/12/2025 15:09

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 02/12/2025 14:08

That's a very grudging email Grin

Isn't it just! We've been told by our lawyers we are breaking the law. We dont agree but....

MatronPomfrey · 02/12/2025 15:08

Fantastic news, my daughter thrives in the all girl environment. Facebook comments are of course full of women saying how awful this is. I’m sure the silent majority are relieved.

RaininSummer · 02/12/2025 15:07

They may have a heavy heart but I expect the majority of their volunteers will be pleased.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 02/12/2025 15:06

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RessicaJabbit · 02/12/2025 15:05

I'm her to share the celebration 🎉

ScrollingLeaves · 02/12/2025 15:04

Elevenseconds · 02/12/2025 14:06

Just received this fabulous message from Girlguiding - hurrah! The tone is peevish, but the result is what matters.

Slight pity that DD is leaving Brownies later this week - and I didn't encourage her to step up for Guides, partly because of their policies worrying me as she got older.

This is a really significant moment.

As the parent of a young member in Girlguiding, following April’s Supreme Court decision relating to sex and gender, we wanted to give you an update. Many organisations across the country have been facing complex decisions about what it means for girls and women and for the wider communities affected, including us.

Girlguiding’s governing charity documents set out that the membership and people who benefit from our organisation are girls and women. In April, the Supreme Court ruled that girls and women are defined in the Equality Act 2010 by their biological sex at birth.
Following detailed considerations, expert legal advice and input from senior members, young members and our Council, Girlguiding’s Board of Trustees has made the difficult decision that Girlguiding must change Girlguiding must change, following the Supreme Court’s ruling.

From today, 2 December, it is with a heavy heart that we are announcing trans girls and young women will no longer be able to join Girlguiding. This is a decision we would have preferred not to make, and we know that this may be upsetting for members of our community.

There will be no immediate changes for current young members but more information will be shared next week.

Most adult roles, including unit helpers, district helpers and administrative support, are already open to all, so we are confident that no volunteers will have to leave the organisation.

Girlguiding believes strongly in our value of inclusion, and we will continue to support young people and adults in marginalised groups. Over the next few months, we'll explore opportunities to champion this value and actively support young people who need us.

You can find our full statement and updated policy on our website.

We are proud to be the UK’s largest youth organisation dedicated to girls and is focused on creating an equal world for girls and young women. For over 100 years, we have been a welcoming space for all girls to have new experiences, support their communities, build friendships and grow their confidence.

While Girlguiding may feel a little different going forward, these core aims and principles will always be the same. We remain committed to treating everyone with dignity and respect, particularly those from marginalised groups that have felt the biggest impact of this decision.

If you have any immediate questions, we have our special support team in place, to give volunteers, parents and carers the best support we can. We are asking Girlguiding HQ, trading and country/region staff to refer any volunteer or parent who has questions about this announcement. Details below.

Most adult roles, including unit helpers, district helpers and administrative support, are already open to all, so we are confident that no volunteers will have to leave the organisation.

No good. How appalling. All girls should stay well away.

Helleofabore · 02/12/2025 15:03

"For over 100 years, we have been a welcoming space for all girls to have new experiences, support their communities, build friendships and grow their confidence."

Except for those girls who needed to be very clear that their girl guiding experience would not include male people who declared that they were female, of course. GG missed that bit.... But now they have rectified it.

MagpiePi · 02/12/2025 15:01

WeMeetInFairIthilien · 02/12/2025 14:41

Spectacular!

Not the email, which is teeth-grittingly-painful, but the decision.

The clue is in the name. GIRLGUIDES.

Anyone heard anything recently about the Women's Institute? There was a lady who's DH was asking to join, as he had a genuine interest in one of the activities - only to be told that he was the wrong sort of man (the one that didn't feel like a woman)?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377946-dh-v-the-wi-thread-2?latest=1

This is the thread about a man joining the WI. They are progressing but are up against the slow legal system.

DH -v- The WI, Thread 2 | Mumsnet

{mention:RareGoalsVerge} rightly pointed out (thank you) on my previous thread that it was getting near the limit and that I should start a second thr...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377946-dh-v-the-wi-thread-2?latest=1

Helleofabore · 02/12/2025 15:00

This is bloody brilliant news!!!

Manderleyagain · 02/12/2025 14:55

Good question about WI. I think the WI lawyers were planning to use the defence that including trans women is legal as a positive action scheme. Girl Guides haven't tried to argue the same. Didn't someone on here say that WI and GG use the same legal firm? If so maybe this is an indication of where things are going.

WeMeetInFairIthilien · 02/12/2025 14:41

Spectacular!

Not the email, which is teeth-grittingly-painful, but the decision.

The clue is in the name. GIRLGUIDES.

Anyone heard anything recently about the Women's Institute? There was a lady who's DH was asking to join, as he had a genuine interest in one of the activities - only to be told that he was the wrong sort of man (the one that didn't feel like a woman)?

Soontobe60 · 02/12/2025 14:41

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 02/12/2025 14:26

I mean, give them more than 19 minutes to update the website maybe :)

I would have expected the website to be updated at the same time as sending out this email TBH. My cynicism leads me to think they’re hoping that sending out that email will distract people from checking out the policies too much.

HermioneWeasley · 02/12/2025 14:38

What a bunch of dick pandering twats

EweProfessorSurnameDoctorProfessor · 02/12/2025 14:36

‘We’re so sorry that we have to actually centre girls as a girls organisation but the mean law is making us’