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'He has a point, but he's too blunt.' JKR

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IwantToRetire · 01/12/2025 18:37

In response to " Interesting interview with @Glinner on @GBNEWS a few minutes ago about the trans debate. It's interesting how the tide is turning in his favour. I've seen old friends who shunned him admit he has a point but that he was too blunt. Even that would was unthinkable a few years ago. "

From the start, a key tactic of the gender identitarians has been linguistic prescription, and it's proved shockingly successful. Trans activists' shibboleths and euphemisms have been allowed to penetrate the upper echelons of our culture with devastating consequences to freedom of speech and belief. Huge swathes of liberal media, the arts, academia and publishing have thrown themselves with gusto into the defence of a quasi-religious belief causing provable real world harm, and in their arrogance they've been outraged when people they assumed were part of their In Group have refused to march meekly along in lock step.

Time and again, I've seen and heard well-educated people who consider themselves critical thinkers and bold truth-tellers squirm when put on the spot. 'Well, yes, maybe there's something in what you're saying, but it's hateful/provocative/rude not to use the approved language/pretend people can literally change sex/keep drawing attention to medical malpractice or opportunistic sexual predators. Why can't you be nice? Why won't you pretend? We thought you were one of us! Don't you realise we have sophisticated new words and phrases these days that obviate the necessity of thinking any of this through?'

As the vibe shifts, and a lot of people in the elite professions start trying to reposition themselves, the obvious place to start is, 'it's not that I couldn't see your point, but did you have to say it that way?' We dissenters were supposed to find a way of questioning the chemical castration of children while calling it 'gender affirming care.' We were meant to defend the rights of vulnerable women while also using female pronouns for male rapists. We should have found a way to discuss fairness for women and girls in sport, while pretending that the ineradicable physical advantage men have over women doesn't exist.

Either a man can be a woman, or he can't. Either women deserve rights, or they don't. Either there's a provable medical benefit to transitioning children, or there isn't. Either you're on the side of a totalitarian ideology that seeks to impose falsehoods on society through the threat of ostracisation, shaming and violence, or you're not. The alternative to being 'blunt' - using accurate, factual language to describe what was going on - was to surrender freedom of speech and espouse ideological jargon that obfuscated the issues and the harms caused. We've always needed blunt people, but we need them most of all when being asked to bow down to a naked emperor.

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J.K. Rowling (@jk_rowling) on X

'He has a point, but he's too blunt.' From the start, a key tactic of the gender identitarians has been linguistic prescription, and it's proved shockingly successful. Trans activists' shibboleths and euphemisms have been allowed to penetrate the uppe...

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RedToothBrush · 03/12/2025 14:17

CautiousLurker2 · 03/12/2025 09:04

There’s a weird double standard in much of public discourse these days, isn’t there? Opinions have to be expounded in polite, reasoned language (with citations) so as not to be rude… but it can’t be too posh as then its privileged, over-educated white middle classes patronising the minorities and speaking from a position of irrelvant life experience.

So, Glinner is too blunt, M/C white women are too ‘naice’, JKR is too rich, blah blah.

Ultimately… people just don’t want to be told cold, hard truths that conflict with their world view and will find any excuse to discredit the speaker.

In a nutshell.

If you identify a problem, you have to do something about it. If you can't see a problem you can do fuck all.

CautiousLurker2 · 03/12/2025 14:08

HelenaWaiting · 03/12/2025 14:02

Could you please wait until she's advised me on my new kitchen? I'm such an airhead, I can't decide anything without Our Glorious Leader's guidance.

Do miss the 🤣 emoji…

HelenaWaiting · 03/12/2025 14:02

MowingMachine · 01/12/2025 21:43

That reminds me, I need to ask JKR where I should go on holiday this year. I am lost without her input.

ETA: Or next year, even 😆

See, I just can't cope without her guidance.

Edited

Could you please wait until she's advised me on my new kitchen? I'm such an airhead, I can't decide anything without Our Glorious Leader's guidance.

nicepotoftea · 03/12/2025 13:15

suggestionsplease1 · 03/12/2025 12:28

So you think that huge swathes, maybe 20% - 30% ?? of these populations who have M on their birth certificates are now randomly putting F on their tax returns, employment docs, GP registrations etc? For shits and giggles presumably? What is it about these eminently sensible countries that make you think their populations are prone to such whimsy?

You know that the percentage of trans people is reliably around 1% or less in populations don't you?

And you know that transwomen score poorly across the board in terms of health and well-being, education, employment, income, political representation - the measures being assessed in these studies? Which would bring down the overall performance of the countries where they are being recorded in the female demographic, which should lower their position on these international tables?

And yet they are still at the top of these international tables for women's safety and wellbeing, and have been for years since implementing their gender self ID policies.

'Don't be rude to the nice man! Why can't you be like Ireland/Argentina/Norway??? They aren't so uptight!'

We have heard it all before.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 03/12/2025 13:05

CautiousLurker2 · 03/12/2025 09:04

There’s a weird double standard in much of public discourse these days, isn’t there? Opinions have to be expounded in polite, reasoned language (with citations) so as not to be rude… but it can’t be too posh as then its privileged, over-educated white middle classes patronising the minorities and speaking from a position of irrelvant life experience.

So, Glinner is too blunt, M/C white women are too ‘naice’, JKR is too rich, blah blah.

Ultimately… people just don’t want to be told cold, hard truths that conflict with their world view and will find any excuse to discredit the speaker.

What's that phrase "Telling the truth is a revolutionary act"?

Society has been incessantly bullied by extreme trans activists for so long and it's remarkable seeing what can happen when compelled language is eroded.

suggestionsplease1 · 03/12/2025 12:28

Namelessnelly · 02/12/2025 22:25

But if they include males in their definition of women, then how do they know it’s a safe place for women? How are they defining woman? If they can’t define women, how do they know it’s a safe place for them? P s males with a trans identity are not women.

So you think that huge swathes, maybe 20% - 30% ?? of these populations who have M on their birth certificates are now randomly putting F on their tax returns, employment docs, GP registrations etc? For shits and giggles presumably? What is it about these eminently sensible countries that make you think their populations are prone to such whimsy?

You know that the percentage of trans people is reliably around 1% or less in populations don't you?

And you know that transwomen score poorly across the board in terms of health and well-being, education, employment, income, political representation - the measures being assessed in these studies? Which would bring down the overall performance of the countries where they are being recorded in the female demographic, which should lower their position on these international tables?

And yet they are still at the top of these international tables for women's safety and wellbeing, and have been for years since implementing their gender self ID policies.

CautiousLurker2 · 03/12/2025 09:15

Just to add, I’ve seen Prof Winston’s opinion on sex chromosomes dismissed because ‘he trained as a doctor decades ago and the science has changed since’ !! 😵‍💫

CautiousLurker2 · 03/12/2025 09:04

There’s a weird double standard in much of public discourse these days, isn’t there? Opinions have to be expounded in polite, reasoned language (with citations) so as not to be rude… but it can’t be too posh as then its privileged, over-educated white middle classes patronising the minorities and speaking from a position of irrelvant life experience.

So, Glinner is too blunt, M/C white women are too ‘naice’, JKR is too rich, blah blah.

Ultimately… people just don’t want to be told cold, hard truths that conflict with their world view and will find any excuse to discredit the speaker.

CohensDiamondTeeth · 03/12/2025 01:50

Datun · 02/12/2025 23:17

It was quite mad. And not a little frightening.

The number of sensible, clever, caring and responsible women who were banned is scary

Yes, and while it's a lot better now I don't think there have been any apologies or bans lifted? Which if I'm right, is pretty shitty behaviour on MN's part tbh.

Edited to add the bit in bold, apparently I'm just skipping whole words now!

RedToothBrush · 03/12/2025 00:15

JanesLittleGirl · 02/12/2025 23:34

Nah, I think that they have ended up here:

Don't do it for the sunshine
Don't do it for the moonlight
Don't do it for the good times
Do it for the boogie

They are just doing 'cos it's the only schtick they have.

And, for some, it probably given them a...

JanesLittleGirl · 02/12/2025 23:34

Nah, I think that they have ended up here:

Don't do it for the sunshine
Don't do it for the moonlight
Don't do it for the good times
Do it for the boogie

They are just doing 'cos it's the only schtick they have.

Keeptoiletssafe · 02/12/2025 23:23

‘Inclusive’ toilets.

Least bad for healthy men.

Datun · 02/12/2025 23:20

CassOle · 02/12/2025 21:04

So the next debate might be Wallace Vs Dawkins?
I hope Peter keeps Freddy away from the wine for this one.

Haha!

By now, TRAs are only doing it for the money. They're certainly not doing it for the cred.

Datun · 02/12/2025 23:17

NotBadConsidering · 02/12/2025 21:36

I was deleted once for saying:

The types of surgeries undertaken under the guise of “sex reassignment surgery”, “gender affirming surgery” or the like are major surgeries.'

because “under the guise of” suggested something “underhand” apparently🙄

Euphemistic, softened language rather than blunt truth is one of the main reasons we (society) got into this mess in the first place. It wasn’t that long ago that pointing out doctors are sterilising children was considered an extremist claim, rather than, you know, a simple truth.

It was quite mad. And not a little frightening.

The number of sensible, clever, caring and responsible women who were banned is scary

NotBadConsidering · 02/12/2025 22:30

Yes, it’s getting there. That deletion was 5 years ago. It’s not like I’m still bitter or anything 🤣

MrsOvertonsWindow · 02/12/2025 22:29

NotBadConsidering · 02/12/2025 21:36

I was deleted once for saying:

The types of surgeries undertaken under the guise of “sex reassignment surgery”, “gender affirming surgery” or the like are major surgeries.'

because “under the guise of” suggested something “underhand” apparently🙄

Euphemistic, softened language rather than blunt truth is one of the main reasons we (society) got into this mess in the first place. It wasn’t that long ago that pointing out doctors are sterilising children was considered an extremist claim, rather than, you know, a simple truth.

It's brilliant seeing the toxic influence of all the lies / fake facts / false language draining away isn't it?

JanesLittleGirl · 02/12/2025 22:27

suggestionsplease1 · 02/12/2025 21:45

Gosh she's really into her either / ors isn't she?

I've got another one for her...either she recognises that 9 out of 10 of the safest countries in the world for women have policies of gender self ID, or she doesn't.

Women, Peace and Security Index.

giwps.georgetown.edu/the-index/

Same shit, different day. Thanks for the valued contribution.

Namelessnelly · 02/12/2025 22:25

suggestionsplease1 · 02/12/2025 21:45

Gosh she's really into her either / ors isn't she?

I've got another one for her...either she recognises that 9 out of 10 of the safest countries in the world for women have policies of gender self ID, or she doesn't.

Women, Peace and Security Index.

giwps.georgetown.edu/the-index/

But if they include males in their definition of women, then how do they know it’s a safe place for women? How are they defining woman? If they can’t define women, how do they know it’s a safe place for them? P s males with a trans identity are not women.

suggestionsplease1 · 02/12/2025 21:45

Gosh she's really into her either / ors isn't she?

I've got another one for her...either she recognises that 9 out of 10 of the safest countries in the world for women have policies of gender self ID, or she doesn't.

Women, Peace and Security Index.

giwps.georgetown.edu/the-index/

'He has a point, but he's too blunt.' JKR
NotBadConsidering · 02/12/2025 21:36

Datun · 02/12/2025 11:00

I was deleted on here for replying to someone who said that AGP was a victimless crime, with the words 'it's far from victimless.'

I was deleted once for saying:

The types of surgeries undertaken under the guise of “sex reassignment surgery”, “gender affirming surgery” or the like are major surgeries.'

because “under the guise of” suggested something “underhand” apparently🙄

Euphemistic, softened language rather than blunt truth is one of the main reasons we (society) got into this mess in the first place. It wasn’t that long ago that pointing out doctors are sterilising children was considered an extremist claim, rather than, you know, a simple truth.

Helleofabore · 02/12/2025 21:32

CassOle · 02/12/2025 21:04

So the next debate might be Wallace Vs Dawkins?
I hope Peter keeps Freddy away from the wine for this one.

Well now. That would be interesting to hear Dawkins debate this.

FrippEnos · 02/12/2025 21:21

I agree with Glinner and JKR.

I am concerned about Glinner in that at times he is putting far to much emotional energy in to this but given how much it has taken from him its understandable.

I hope that he can finally come to terms with everything and manages to rebuild his life.

IwantToRetire · 02/12/2025 21:07

Greyskybluesky · 02/12/2025 19:06

Another thread down the drain.

There's no need for such an overreaction. There are still plenty of interesting and thoughtful posts on here.

Yes, derailers are annoying. But people can engage (or not) with whoever they want, for whatever reason they want.

It's not an over reaction.

I am sure like may others I have limited time.

Time wasters who are just here to masterbate their egos dont need encouragement.

If you think they are that interesting why not set up a thread and ask them all to come and litter the thread with their trivia.

They aren't listening to any of you.

They are sitting there thrilled to have taken up your time whilst laughing at you.

Has there ever been one of the usual supsects who has come back and said thank you, now I understand?

Of course not.

And their pathetic ego game is an insult to issues that some want to be able to discuss without wading through intentional nonsense.

Dilettantism.

OP posts:
CassOle · 02/12/2025 21:04

So the next debate might be Wallace Vs Dawkins?
I hope Peter keeps Freddy away from the wine for this one.

'He has a point, but he's too blunt.' JKR
MrsOvertonsWindow · 02/12/2025 21:00

Greyskybluesky · 02/12/2025 19:06

Another thread down the drain.

There's no need for such an overreaction. There are still plenty of interesting and thoughtful posts on here.

Yes, derailers are annoying. But people can engage (or not) with whoever they want, for whatever reason they want.

Agreed. There have always been those who try to derail, disrupt and dominate on here with a display of their regressive Victorian notions of how women should think and behave. From the old midnight misogynist to the more recent midnight howlers.

Women on here are well equipped to respond or to ignore. It's always been said that this is a tanker that's slowly being turned round - and it is slow with so many of our institutions captured at the very top. But the gains and changes are significant and growing. It's amazing what happens when the bullying and silencing is challenged and stops.

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