The myth of 'bathroom bans' harming 'cis' women

A lot of trans identified men do seem to be exceptionally tall.

I've never met a women who I thought was a man.

Or a man that I thought was a women.

How do these people think we've been 'policing' toilets until now? Do they think all toilets are currently unisex and anyone can use the womens so non feminine presenting women are ok because men are allowed in the womens anyway?

It doesn't make sense unless the argument is for all toilets to be unisex.

Cobblers! 😂

I remember being challenged in a loo in 2018, when the GRA reform was still being discussed and there was a lot more "chilling" of free expression on the whole subject, and made a point of telling the challenger that I understood why she'd asked and I wasn't offended.

I'd rather be challenged every time I use a loo outside my house than have one woman or girl harmed by a man in what she thought was a safe, single-sex space.

Do the UK cinemas have women only events? Why else would women be turned away from the cinema for not looking like women?

Anyone got any experience of being turned away from a cinema for not looking female enough?

Totally this. I am female, but don’t look feminine really. I blame genetics (but really it’s because I love cutting my own hair 😂). I am challenged often, however this has only really happened more in the last couple of years! So obviously since the massive increase in men trying to use women’s spaces.

For the record I really don’t care - I’d far rather I was challenged and that women feel confident to speak up about protecting our rights.

I know a few very non feminine looking women. Taller than average, broad shoulders, short hair, deeper voices. There is no way anyone would ever question their right to be in the ladies though - because it’s blatantly obvious they are women!
I find it hard to believe that any women routinely get questioned about their right to use the ladies.

This whole business is pathetic. We've been talking about the need to keep men - trans-identifying or otherwise - out of women's spaces for many years. The response of the trans activists was always to squeal that the only way to enforce this would be "genital inspections" at the door. The horror!

Now it's been pointed out that, actually, there are no genital inspections, but that it's reasonable for women to simply challenge someone who looks male - because if they look male, they probably are male - they're squealing about that too.

Given that they squeal about both the most invasive and the least invasive test of identifying whether someone is male, it's clear that what they want is no test at all: they simply think that any male should have the right to walk unchallenged into women's spaces.

They are despicable.

I have very broad shoulders and in my 20s I often wore a tweed hacking jacket, which accentuated this.

I was called "Sir" by a ticket inspector on a train. I had very short hair at the time and, approaching me from behind, his error was perfectly understandable. I turned, smiled and the poor man was so embarrassed I, otoh, was totally unphased. Misgendering is of no significance when you're not trying to misrepresent yourself.

It almost makes you wonder how butch or androgynous women managed to use public toilets in the days before males started intruding....

No, that is not it. The only lack of safety they feel is in not having their fantasies validated

When I was younger with short hair I was asked if I was in the right toilet a few times - but that's all it was, just asking, and it was all fine when I answered.

It's a weird idea that the solution to the occasional question is to let any bloke who wants to into the ladies in case the occasional woman is mistaken for a bloke. The idea that making the toilet mixed sex is better than trying to make them single sex.

I've seen a bloke in the ladies, who'd just taken a wrong turn since the symbols were less than obvious and he was indeed mistakenly in the wrong place, and was grateful and a bit embarrassed when I pointed out the mens was the other way.

Agree. To me, there are 3 definite giveaways:

1 Voice
2 Behaviour
3 ...not going to type it here in case there are any TRAs reading. But it's not what you think it is. We see you!

The law is clear, females in the ladies toilets, males in the gents. All transpeople go to the toilet of their sex (which cant change).

Men need to learn to deal with people with different hair, clothes, shape from themselves.

Toilets are safe... very small numbers of assaults or rapes occur in them (recent foi confirmed this I believe.)

In reality, for 99% of women all you need is to hear them speak to know they are a woman, the one thing transwomen can't fake properly is an actual women's voice.

We have laws against people under 18 buying cigarettes or alcohol.

Often it’s difficult to tell whether a young person is under 18 or over 18.

Amazingly, we don’t throw our hands up in despair and decide there’s no point in having laws prohibiting under 18s buying cigarettes or alcohol.

Instead we implement a system whereby shopkeepers are required to ask for ID. It’s not perfect, but it mostly works.

I am.
And I have been trying to get everyone else to as well.

But how can we tell?

I promise the photo is undoctored, it can be found on Ms Webberley's Twitter page

If it does happen, on the very odd occasion, then that will be down to the years of confusion on 'Sex' and 'Gender' sown by trans ideology.

When clarity is achieved and when we get back to officially recognising that 'female only' means just that, then it is less likely to happen. It used to be very obvious that males were not permitted in female only facilities, and when a man did try to enter he would be confronted and/or asked to leave.

For some reason, responses like yours, MagpiePi's and lots of other women saying it's happened to them and was no biggie are ignored. As if they aren't valid. It's strange. As if tras can't believe you're not traumatised by it.

So, more women are now so on edge in public toilets in case there are men dressed as women in there that they are accusing other women with short hair and trousers of being male.

I would suggest that the answer to this is to make it 100% clear that men (including those who identify as trans women) do not have the legal right to use female single sex spaces.

And if the politicians eventually decide to get alongside the law and make it clear that this is the law and has always been the law, women will then be able to feel less hyper-vigilant when using public single sex spaces.

I do not see how allowing men into female spaces will make the majority of women feel any safer. Women are saying no to this and the law says no to this.

I would personally not be offended by the question. It’s being asked in order to keep other women safe.