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What is Riley Gaines hiding? We investigated…

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Brewdug · 27/11/2025 00:26

This podcast appeared in my feed today via an affiliated show… I know it is naive but it’s still hard to believe how blinkered - and unbearably smug the US liberal wing is on this. This is rubbish ( from the ‘Center for Investigative Reporting’, which I now wouldn’t trust to tell me if it was raining), but still enlightening… wondered if anyone else had heard it.

A six month dig to discredit Gaines - we’re not supposed to notice that everyone they’re trying to gotcha in this won’t dignify any of it - that finds her hiding (spoiler alert) nothing?

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/reveal/id886009669?i=1000738472306

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TortillaKitty · 03/12/2025 23:28

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 03/12/2025 23:21

“Creating a new citizen for her country”? She had a baby, like so many of us do.

And in doing so, you made a new citizen for your country too. Recognising that women carry out work for their countries by bearing children, and recognising that the State will coerce this work through abortion bans etc if it thinks that women aren't having enough kids, is Radical Feminism 101 material.

AOC did not start the argument, btw, Gaines did.

Irrelevant. AOC has chosen to be an elected representative of her country's people. She can expect her country's people to challenge her if they think she's not doing a good job. On this issue, Gaines thinks AOC is doing a bad job.

Holy fascist, Batman

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 03/12/2025 23:28

TortillaKitty · 03/12/2025 23:22

Do you mean bartender? I haven’t read anything about AOC being a barista. When I was in college/university, many of my friends were bartenders. That’s how they could afford to live away from home and it seems it was around her early 20s that AOC was employed as one while doing an international relations/economics degree. I’m not sure I see what the problem is here. She worked her way up.

I possibly did mean bartender.

☑ Serves drinks.
☑ Faces public.
☑ Is paid badly.
☑ Starts with "bar".

I've worked checkouts and cleaned toilets, yet I regard my first "real" job as the one I needed a degree for. And I regard raising children as too difficult for me to even contemplate.

TortillaKitty · 03/12/2025 23:22

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 03/12/2025 23:10

It's nothing to feel shame for, but it's also not the most exalted of jobs. The phrase "those in glass houses should not throw stones" springs to mind.

Do you mean bartender? I haven’t read anything about AOC being a barista. When I was in college/university, many of my friends were bartenders. That’s how they could afford to live away from home and it seems it was around her early 20s that AOC was employed as one while doing an international relations/economics degree. I’m not sure I see what the problem is here. She worked her way up.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 03/12/2025 23:21

TortillaKitty · 03/12/2025 23:09

What kind of comment is this? “Creating a new citizen for her country”? She had a baby, like so many of us do. AOC did not start the argument, btw, Gaines did.

And “making lattes”? What’s wrong with that?

“Creating a new citizen for her country”? She had a baby, like so many of us do.

And in doing so, you made a new citizen for your country too. Recognising that women carry out work for their countries by bearing children, and recognising that the State will coerce this work through abortion bans etc if it thinks that women aren't having enough kids, is Radical Feminism 101 material.

AOC did not start the argument, btw, Gaines did.

Irrelevant. AOC has chosen to be an elected representative of her country's people. She can expect her country's people to challenge her if they think she's not doing a good job. On this issue, Gaines thinks AOC is doing a bad job.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 03/12/2025 23:10

PollyNomial · 03/12/2025 18:16

And making a latte for your income is something to be ashamed of, is it?

It's nothing to feel shame for, but it's also not the most exalted of jobs. The phrase "those in glass houses should not throw stones" springs to mind.

TortillaKitty · 03/12/2025 23:09

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 03/12/2025 17:56

So Gaines has carried out what many would argue is valuable work, namely creating a new citizen for her country. It's pretty shit for an elected representative of that country to trash talk her for not having a conventional job, especially when said representative's own work history consists of making lattes. Also, Gaines would be a dentist that no one had heard of if Thomas hadn't got his dick out in her changing room and cheated by entering a women's swimming race that she was in.

What kind of comment is this? “Creating a new citizen for her country”? She had a baby, like so many of us do. AOC did not start the argument, btw, Gaines did.

And “making lattes”? What’s wrong with that?

PollyNomial · 03/12/2025 18:16

And making a latte for your income is something to be ashamed of, is it?

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 03/12/2025 17:56

TortillaKitty · 03/12/2025 09:43

There are plenty of examples, but one post on X addressing AOC states:

“I have a real job. I'm a mom. It's the most important & rewarding job in the world.

I think if you had a baby girl like I do, you'd understand my positions a little better. (https://x.com/riley_gaines_/status/1983009006122684775?s=61&t=3wYru9P_J0h74BXKFXAfmw

This was within the context of challenging AOC to a debate. AOC declined, challenging Gaines to get a “real job” (not the best reply IMO). Riley came back with this. While bragging about being a mom, Gaines managed to aim a dig at AOC about her lack of motherhood. (Additionally, I tend to believe ALL children require safeguarding, not just girls.)

So Gaines has carried out what many would argue is valuable work, namely creating a new citizen for her country. It's pretty shit for an elected representative of that country to trash talk her for not having a conventional job, especially when said representative's own work history consists of making lattes. Also, Gaines would be a dentist that no one had heard of if Thomas hadn't got his dick out in her changing room and cheated by entering a women's swimming race that she was in.

Daytimetellyqueen · 03/12/2025 15:49

TheKeatingFive · 03/12/2025 12:09

That doesn't really answer the question. So she thinks motherhood is important - well lots of people agree with her.

And it was AOC who targeted her first by saying she didn't have a real job.

Honestly, you seem to be stretching so hard to paint her in a bad light She's a mom and she thinks that role is important. There is nothing unusual or problematic about that. And I still don't know where you're getting 'reverential' from.

I agree!

TheKeatingFive · 03/12/2025 12:09

TortillaKitty · 03/12/2025 09:43

There are plenty of examples, but one post on X addressing AOC states:

“I have a real job. I'm a mom. It's the most important & rewarding job in the world.

I think if you had a baby girl like I do, you'd understand my positions a little better. (https://x.com/riley_gaines_/status/1983009006122684775?s=61&t=3wYru9P_J0h74BXKFXAfmw

This was within the context of challenging AOC to a debate. AOC declined, challenging Gaines to get a “real job” (not the best reply IMO). Riley came back with this. While bragging about being a mom, Gaines managed to aim a dig at AOC about her lack of motherhood. (Additionally, I tend to believe ALL children require safeguarding, not just girls.)

That doesn't really answer the question. So she thinks motherhood is important - well lots of people agree with her.

And it was AOC who targeted her first by saying she didn't have a real job.

Honestly, you seem to be stretching so hard to paint her in a bad light She's a mom and she thinks that role is important. There is nothing unusual or problematic about that. And I still don't know where you're getting 'reverential' from.

Datun · 03/12/2025 11:17

TortillaKitty · 03/12/2025 11:10

Thatʼs why I said i believe we need to protect children of both sexes. I myself have sons and a daughter; I feel equally protective of them at different stages of their development. What she is also saying that AOC cannot hope to understand this as she isn’t a mother, and she meant this as a barb.

From that comment, it was about being the mother of a girl.

But yes, of course, parents are worried about children being in thrall to trans ideology. Boys and girls.

TortillaKitty · 03/12/2025 11:11

nicepotoftea · 03/12/2025 10:06

Also, I don't understand what is meant by 'real job'?

Even if Gaines is a lobbyist and paid pundit, isn't that a job? Are there not Democrats who do the same thing?

You would have to ask AOC. I don’t agree with her on this one.

TortillaKitty · 03/12/2025 11:10

Datun · 03/12/2025 09:46

Isn't she saying that, about a baby girl, in the context of protecting women from trans ideology?

We often say the same here. 'But he has daughters, how come he doesn't get it'.

Did AOC accept the offer of a debate?

Thatʼs why I said i believe we need to protect children of both sexes. I myself have sons and a daughter; I feel equally protective of them at different stages of their development. What she is also saying that AOC cannot hope to understand this as she isn’t a mother, and she meant this as a barb.

Helleofabore · 03/12/2025 10:08

Datun · 03/12/2025 09:46

Isn't she saying that, about a baby girl, in the context of protecting women from trans ideology?

We often say the same here. 'But he has daughters, how come he doesn't get it'.

Did AOC accept the offer of a debate?

Yes. I interpreted her words as saying that perhaps if people understood a mother’s perspective that she is trying to make the world a better and safer place for her daughter, they might have a better understanding of her position.

Of course, with robust safeguarding protocols and scientific evidence, people shouldn’t need to have the understanding from a parent’s perspective. Those are there to take any emotional aspect out of the decisions.

nicepotoftea · 03/12/2025 10:06

Also, I don't understand what is meant by 'real job'?

Even if Gaines is a lobbyist and paid pundit, isn't that a job? Are there not Democrats who do the same thing?

nicepotoftea · 03/12/2025 10:03

TortillaKitty · 03/12/2025 09:43

There are plenty of examples, but one post on X addressing AOC states:

“I have a real job. I'm a mom. It's the most important & rewarding job in the world.

I think if you had a baby girl like I do, you'd understand my positions a little better. (https://x.com/riley_gaines_/status/1983009006122684775?s=61&t=3wYru9P_J0h74BXKFXAfmw

This was within the context of challenging AOC to a debate. AOC declined, challenging Gaines to get a “real job” (not the best reply IMO). Riley came back with this. While bragging about being a mom, Gaines managed to aim a dig at AOC about her lack of motherhood. (Additionally, I tend to believe ALL children require safeguarding, not just girls.)

I don't think she is bragging about being a mother - she had just had a baby. Wouldn't any woman be cross if they were told they 'didn't have a real job' when they had just given birth?

I'm also a bit allergic to the 'mothers/fathers of daughters' line, but I acknowledge that it chimes with many people - the idea that people think differently about their daughters is pretty much the basis of the 'Staniland Question'.

Gaines very clearly supports Trump, but then so do an awful lot of Americans. I wouldn't vote for him, (and wouldn't get the chance, not being American) but does it therefore mean that anyone who would must be treated as an outcast?

Datun · 03/12/2025 09:46

TortillaKitty · 03/12/2025 09:43

There are plenty of examples, but one post on X addressing AOC states:

“I have a real job. I'm a mom. It's the most important & rewarding job in the world.

I think if you had a baby girl like I do, you'd understand my positions a little better. (https://x.com/riley_gaines_/status/1983009006122684775?s=61&t=3wYru9P_J0h74BXKFXAfmw

This was within the context of challenging AOC to a debate. AOC declined, challenging Gaines to get a “real job” (not the best reply IMO). Riley came back with this. While bragging about being a mom, Gaines managed to aim a dig at AOC about her lack of motherhood. (Additionally, I tend to believe ALL children require safeguarding, not just girls.)

Isn't she saying that, about a baby girl, in the context of protecting women from trans ideology?

We often say the same here. 'But he has daughters, how come he doesn't get it'.

Did AOC accept the offer of a debate?

TortillaKitty · 03/12/2025 09:43

TheKeatingFive · 03/12/2025 04:26

What does that even mean, to a 'reverential level'?

There are plenty of examples, but one post on X addressing AOC states:

“I have a real job. I'm a mom. It's the most important & rewarding job in the world.

I think if you had a baby girl like I do, you'd understand my positions a little better. (https://x.com/riley_gaines_/status/1983009006122684775?s=61&t=3wYru9P_J0h74BXKFXAfmw

This was within the context of challenging AOC to a debate. AOC declined, challenging Gaines to get a “real job” (not the best reply IMO). Riley came back with this. While bragging about being a mom, Gaines managed to aim a dig at AOC about her lack of motherhood. (Additionally, I tend to believe ALL children require safeguarding, not just girls.)

Riley Gaines (@Riley_Gaines_) on X

I have a real job. I'm a mom. It's the most important & rewarding job in the world. I think if you had a baby girl like I do, you'd understand my positions a little better.

https://x.com/riley_gaines_/status/1983009006122684775?s=61&t=3wYru9P_J0h74BXKFXAfmw

Datun · 03/12/2025 09:36

😆 such bigotry!

Holdmeclosertinydancer2018 · 03/12/2025 06:49

NotBadConsidering · 27/11/2025 06:23

Only in TRA La La Land would someone think it’s a legitimate debate as to whether a man’s cock was fully out, partially out, or still covered while he was in a place he shouldn’t have been.

WOMANS cock 😂

TheKeatingFive · 03/12/2025 04:26

TortillaKitty · 03/12/2025 00:27

Again, look at her X messaging. She isn’t advocating SAHM as she isn’t one herself, but she promotes the idea of motherhood and having babies (in line with Republican ethos) to a reverential level.

What does that even mean, to a 'reverential level'?

Carla786 · 03/12/2025 00:56

TortillaKitty · 03/12/2025 00:27

Again, look at her X messaging. She isn’t advocating SAHM as she isn’t one herself, but she promotes the idea of motherhood and having babies (in line with Republican ethos) to a reverential level.

Motherhood should be respected. I am interested in Christian nationalism, it's a worrying movement...I don't think Gaines saying this is automatically a red flag for this but I will investigate further.

TortillaKitty · 03/12/2025 00:27

Carla786 · 02/12/2025 17:05

Mom is best? What do you mean and where did she say this? Advocating SAHMs pr something else?

Again, look at her X messaging. She isn’t advocating SAHM as she isn’t one herself, but she promotes the idea of motherhood and having babies (in line with Republican ethos) to a reverential level.

TortillaKitty · 03/12/2025 00:21

Carla786 · 02/12/2025 17:01

Can you give a link on the Christian nationalist views?

You would need to trawl back through her X posts. It isn’t difficult to see: as a Christian evangelist herself, she appears to agree with statements that the US should be declared a Christian nation, and all the actions that would go along with this.

Carla786 · 02/12/2025 23:10

Brewdug · 02/12/2025 22:21

Not sure if I might be misremembering now. At one point - I think from the teammate with the disguised voice - they expressed an extra disappointment in Gaines because she had previously been supportive of a lesbian teammate (or they might have said ‘queer’ which means anything). As if objecting to Thomas meant she must hate the whole community, which is a wild accusation they didn’t bother to think any harder about.

Unless they were referring to Thomas all along, in which case I got the wrong end of the stick.

Ah right, thank you. Sounds like the kind of crazy thing these kinds of people would say, unfortunately...