What is Riley Gaines hiding? We investigated…

Did her team mates actually speak on the podcast? Or was it men saying on the podcast that her team mates said it?

Strange you think both Gaines and Scanlan 'don't count'. Nor the expert testimony of people on this very thread involved in professional swimming. Nor the AI I posted that shows how long it takes. Nor the YT clip that demonstrates how long it takes.

None, none of those 'count'. Thinking you can get a skin tight swimsuit - or indeed any swimsuit - on WHILE holding a towel around you is absolutely batshit crazy. Common sense tells you it cannot physically be done.

Well even if you do take the exposure and male arousal out of the equation, there's two women on the swim team who were not happy about Thomas being there because he was male, and who said they felt distressed and violated by having to change in front of him.

How many women have to complain for it to make a difference? Put a number on it, I triple dare you! 😂

Edit to add, I expect Hows will swerve this question and refuse to give a number, but it would be fascinating if he actually attempted to answer the question in good faith wouldn't it?

Plus, of course, we have to remember the cost to these women of speaking out. The horrendous level of abuse including podcasts were people look at you past to try and discredit you…

Also, a trans individual with dysphoria - someone with a deep psychological revulsion towards their sexed body - is unlikely to be hanging out in a communal changing room where everyone has to get naked.

A visitor from Malaga, on the other hand...

lol. If “Lia” Thomas left women’s sports alone there would be nothing to “weaponise”.

Women are allowed to have rights, and they are allowed to campaign for them.

Why was he there? He is a man stripping naked next to women also stripping naked. Young women who were groomed to believe they were not allowed to have appropriate boundaries or safeguarding? Who have been told repeatedly that these men are the most vulnerable ever and must be protected? Of course some women would try and defend him. Just as 12-year old victims of grooming might believe their abusive pimp is actually a loving boyfriend.

My theory on changing rooms...

• The trans individual knows they are making others uncomfortable, and doesn't care
• The trans individual knows they are making others uncomfortable, and actively enjoying it
• The trans individual is that oblivious to reality they don't realise they are making others uncomfortable

Or...- The trans individual realises their presence may not only be making others uncomfortable, but actually causing distress, so seeks to rectify the situation by finding an alternative private space.

Its sort of ironic, the type of trans individual that puts others first is tge sort you feel safe around, but they aren't the ones trying to ride over womans rights.

As for RG... yes I don't agree with a lot of her politics. However you can separate people opinions on different topics, especially with politics. Does anyone ever completely agree with every policy a Political party has? Or is it just a balance of matters.

Gaines' team mates testimonies in the pod cast.

Oh that's right , 'those women don't count'…

Himself. Hows has already admitted in this thread that Thomas is male bodied... so a man 🙄

Obviously that should be enough to ensure he was never allowed into the female changing rooms (or onto the female swim team!), regardless of whether he was covered with a towel, 16 layers of clothing, or stark bollock naked.

However, on top the simple fact of a man being where he absolutely should not have been, we also have accounts from the women on the swim team that not only were they distressed and felt violated at having to get naked in front of him, but that he was exposed and also aroused.

Hows wants us all to ignore everything from the ground up there, starting from Thomas is a man who shouldn't have been there in the first place.

Oh dear, you need to edumacute yourself on what the female competitors revealed about the situation of male exposure and voyeurism that was inflicted on them. They have to get into the swimming costumes naked. It has been revealed that the man allowed into the women’s changing room was exposing himself. ’Upthread’ isn’t in the women’s changing room. The young women exposed the behaviour of the male exposing himself to them in their changing room.

You may be right, it may have taken longer than 20 minutes for the swimmers to slowly inch themselves into the skintight swimming costumes. Lots of exposed jiggling penis and testicles going on in the women’s changing room.

Howse at least mixes it up a bit. Usually on a Riley Gaines thread, we get hundreds of posts along the lines of "I'm as GC as they come, but here are 50 reasons why you should hate Riley Gaines"

I don't know what it is about RG, but she seems to positively enrage 'progressives' who then have a compulsion to explain why she's a liar and a bad faith actor.

They would rather be advocates for flashers' rights than admit that RG with her sinful thoughts should be entitled to a single sex changing room.

That is why they will lose.

It seems to me pretty obvious that -

(1) Some women might have seen more or less than other women in a changing room with Liar T.

(2) Some women might have been more or less uncomfortable than other women in a changing room with Liar T.

(3) That (1) and (2) are utterly irrelevant - all that is relevant is that men are not women and not welcome is a space for women, and that it is safe to assume wilful disregard of women, or deliberate predatory aims towards women, from any man who attempts to enter. Even if all the women in there were treated with complete respect and were happy, even if they all wanted Liar T in there so they could all giggle why discussing how wonderful each others genitalia was, Liar T was completely in the wrong being there because, if nothing else, his presence affects the choices of the next generation of potential elite swimmers.

Brewdog

There are a couple of YouTube podcasts saying they have uncovered what RG has ‘hidden’ - Pablo Torre and the Majority Report. I think it is this Pablo Torre podcast with Madison Pauly that you are referring to, is that correct?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iKUl8lkuGOc&pp=ygUTUmlsZXkgZ2FpbmVzIGhpZGluZw%3D%3D

What I cannot work out though is just what they believe was ‘hidden’?

Again, you continue with your lies. Where is the PROOF anyone said Thomas was in a towel? Despite the fact that as has been shown on this thread, it is literally and practically IMPOSSIBBLE to be in a towel get a swimsuit on at the same time....

Proof of your claim please.

Are you suggesting the women who claimed in the podcast that Lia Thomas was in a towel keeping to herself are in still in 'denial'?

The stories people tell themselves….

The Democrats and 'progressives' are turning to conspiracy theories to investigate why they lost the election, rather than look more closely at their own articles of faith.

Ah I see Howse has graced us with his usual brand of heeeeeerailing to piss all over the thread in his usual style

Liam Thomas is a man and Riley Gaines could be the most objectionable women ever to draw breath and she'd still be entitled to a single sex changing room as part of a female swimming team

Women who have been abused do not always immediately recognise their abuse, especially if they have been habituated to it. It doesn’t mean they were not abused. You just need to look at MN relationship boards to see how often women assume their incredibly abusive partners are not being abusive. Or the thousands of girls horrifically abused by grooming gangs.

Plus even if Riley did recognise the abuse immediately, she needed the message to be picked up by the media. Do you also claim the 12/13 year olds drugged and gang raped by grooming gangs were not abused because they didn’t immediately get that picked up by the media?

Um, it's not me who said that but Gaines' own team mates in the podcast.

Might help watching it before you comment.

"Not commenting is an absolute cop out from them, lest they say the wrong thing and get cancelled."

Commenting on such issues are podcasts in of themselves so its hardly practical not to mention if the people want to tune in on 'money in politics' or the 'lies of Riley Gaines' they are hardly doing so for a discussion on the ethics of change rooms.

"They did refer to Gaines ‘misgendering’ and equated her objection to Thomas being a complete volte face to previous support of a lesbian teammate. They are not mutually exclusive things."

The context was Gaines being previously supportive to Lia Thomas as a trans woman & her evolution from that. In any case that's not suggesting the pod casters approved of trans women in women's change rooms. One can still acknowledge trans dignity & be respectful while still being against sharing open change rooms.

"They don’t like her, Trump or where she gets her money. So what. Again, she isn’t ‘hiding’ anything and it simply isn’t the ‘gotcha’ they think it is."

The gotcha is Gaines doesn't really care about women's safety & what she was 'hiding' was the sexually abusive environment she was in because she'd rather focus on right wing talking points of trans demonisation. $$$$$

The thing also is, if I remember correctly, that Paula Scanlon described how to get into competitive swim gear, and seeing Thomas naked while TESTIFYING at a congressional committee hearing.

Let me see if I can find the clip or the tweet.

And didn’t a group of women hint that Thomas had an arousal reaction while in that changing room too? Because a group all agreed he was attracted to female people due to what they witnessed seeing. It was in a group video discussion.

Howse thinks that a man can change discretely in a changing room full of women trying to get into competition swimsuits.

Howse knows little about women or competitive swimming. I wouldn’t care if the man in the room was wearing a towel while I took off all my clothes and wrestled my way into my costume.

Howse lives to be humiliated on these threads. He revels in the irritation of women who don’t want him here. 🤔

What is exceedingly strange is people (mainly howse) saying it's fine for a man to be undressed in front of women in a single sex space because he didn't expose his penis.

He shouldn't have even been there. End of. It doesn't matter if Gaines is right wing or purple or was a criminal. SHE was forced to change in front of a MAN whilst in a supposedly protected space. Men need to fuck off out of those spaces, dressed or undressed.

I mean, it is fucking hilarious. posters are talking about getting IN to competitive swim gear and we get shit fed to us about getting OUT of competitive swim gear.

But apparently, this is not bad faith engagement.

@Howseitgoin under what circumstances do you feel it is acceptable to make women get naked in front of a male they don’t want to see them naked?

List them out for me, when in your opinion is it acceptable to tell women that they have to strip off in front of a man or they are bigots ?