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To find it heartening that despite so many famous people being anti JKR, their are still so many who are prepared to work on HP?

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PyongyangKipperbang · 25/11/2025 01:26

The end credits on the full cast audio takes 13 minutes. Hugh Laurie, Carl Prekopp, Mark Addy, Indira Varma.....and so many many names!

Then the TV series. Nick Frost, Warwick Davies, John Lithgow, Janet McTeer, Katherine Parkinson and (my favourite) Daniel Rigby.

I feel that the actors and crew are saying that they agree with her (or at least, dont disagree), without actually saying that they agree, if you see what I mean.

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godtierKaren · 25/11/2025 07:35

BunfightBetty · 25/11/2025 07:18

Yes, I know what you mean. I find misogyny and all the attempts to take away the rights of women - the oppressed sex - in favour of men - the oppressor sex - so disgustingly abhorrent and morally bankrupt, that I find it difficult to feel the same about people once I know they’re full on TRAs.

However, I try to remember that some to them do so out of ignorance, thinking they’re being ‘kind’, and don’t fully understand the impact on women, or the terrible harms being done to confused young people. Most people don’t seem to know much, if anything, about the lifelong medical harms like infertility being visited on vulnerable young people in the name of profit.

There are also those who are too craven and cowardly to do anything other than jump on the bandwagon, as they see this as advantageous to them. Those I have less sympathy for.

Yes, opinions differ that's why ultimately consensus expertise matters particularly on complex issues whether medical, ethical, judicial or psychological.

Unfortunately, everyone these days thinks they’re an 'expert'…

TheNightingalesStarling · 25/11/2025 07:33

Why is it always about toilets... not open plan changing rooms, or domestic violence shelters, or asking for your rape counsellor to be the same sex as you?

Toilets a merely a gateway drug.

BlueEyedBogWitch · 25/11/2025 07:29

I’m always thoroughly heartened when I visit King’s Cross station and see the massive queues outside the Harry Potter shop.

The Christmas tree is Diagon Alley themed this year, with a shop on each face of the plinth thingy it’s on.

There were young people taking pics last week, saying “Make sure you get one of each side!”

Warmed my terfy cockles, it did.

TwinkleTwinkleLittleBatgirl · 25/11/2025 07:28

godtierKaren · 25/11/2025 07:25

By this logic toilets don't need to be separated but clearly they do for safety reasons that applies to both trans women & women. And given there's no evidence statistically of trans women being a safety risk to women then sharing toilets only makes sense.

who do trans women have risks from in the male toilets?

Maryberrysbouffant · 25/11/2025 07:26

I’m sure plenty of famous people are pro JKR anyway, they’re just too scared to say it out loud.

godtierKaren · 25/11/2025 07:25

TwinkleTwinkleLittleBatgirl · 25/11/2025 07:07

Yes, I don’t quite get how if the “cubicles in toilets allow” for the privacy, why not just use the toilets for your sex? @godtierKaren has clearly stated trans people can get the privacy they want there?

By this logic toilets don't need to be separated but clearly they do for safety reasons that applies to both trans women & women. And given there's no evidence statistically of trans women being a safety risk to women then sharing toilets only makes sense.

BunfightBetty · 25/11/2025 07:18

godtierKaren · 25/11/2025 03:59

I would maintain civility but can't imagine maintaining a close relationship with a friend who didn't have any empathy for human rights violations. That would be a very bright red flag of a problematic future in my experience. Lack of empathy tends to be a deal breaker in friendships.

But I suspect the very nature of acting requires empathy for those "who know not what they do" & that's perhaps why Fiennes, Knightly & Laurie haven't turned away from JKR.

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Yes, I know what you mean. I find misogyny and all the attempts to take away the rights of women - the oppressed sex - in favour of men - the oppressor sex - so disgustingly abhorrent and morally bankrupt, that I find it difficult to feel the same about people once I know they’re full on TRAs.

However, I try to remember that some to them do so out of ignorance, thinking they’re being ‘kind’, and don’t fully understand the impact on women, or the terrible harms being done to confused young people. Most people don’t seem to know much, if anything, about the lifelong medical harms like infertility being visited on vulnerable young people in the name of profit.

There are also those who are too craven and cowardly to do anything other than jump on the bandwagon, as they see this as advantageous to them. Those I have less sympathy for.

TwinkleTwinkleLittleBatgirl · 25/11/2025 07:07

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/11/2025 05:19

Funny how your argument doesn’t stand on its own merits so you have to appropriate someone else’s oppression, isn’t it, “godtierKaren”?

Yes, I don’t quite get how if the “cubicles in toilets allow” for the privacy, why not just use the toilets for your sex? @godtierKaren has clearly stated trans people can get the privacy they want there?

334bu · 25/11/2025 07:03

Denying psychological, behavioural & cultural commonalities is as silly as denying biological realities so I'm not interested in being drawn into that.

Of course you're not.

Igneococcus · 25/11/2025 06:18

Getting your dick out in female only spaces is not a human right.

Namelessnelly · 25/11/2025 06:16

godtierKaren · 25/11/2025 05:13

What are the rights that are being violated here?

Freedom to use necessary basic facilities. Self determination & bodily autonomy.

"And while about it do you think that biological women are entitled to privacy and dignity? Are these human rights worth standing up for?"

Cubicles in toilets already allow for that.

And there are cubicles in men’s toilets so males with a trans identity will have all the privacy and dignity they want won’t they? I mean, if women’s safety, dignity abd privacy can be cured by cubicles, so can mens. You e just confirmed there is no need for males with a trans identity to use female spaces as the answer is just cubicles in the men’s. Sorted.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 25/11/2025 06:12

godtierKaren · 25/11/2025 05:13

What are the rights that are being violated here?

Freedom to use necessary basic facilities. Self determination & bodily autonomy.

"And while about it do you think that biological women are entitled to privacy and dignity? Are these human rights worth standing up for?"

Cubicles in toilets already allow for that.

Nobody has been denied the right to use basic facilities, they're just being told to use the appropriate ones.
Self id isn't the same as self determination, and if an adult wants to chop off their bits that's up to them. They don't get to chop off the bits of children, and as it's their choice I don't see why they shouldn't pay for it themselves, why should the rest of us foot the bill.

Namelessnelly · 25/11/2025 05:50

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/11/2025 05:24

What are the commonalities? Why should I believe men who “identify as women” are women?

Oooh didn’t a poster lecture us on this…. It’s crying a lot and being kind and liking shiny, soft things as I recall. So it was decided 90% of the women on this board weren’t actually women. I think that poster left in shame as he hasn’t been back since.

Namelessnelly · 25/11/2025 05:48

godtierKaren · 25/11/2025 03:59

I would maintain civility but can't imagine maintaining a close relationship with a friend who didn't have any empathy for human rights violations. That would be a very bright red flag of a problematic future in my experience. Lack of empathy tends to be a deal breaker in friendships.

But I suspect the very nature of acting requires empathy for those "who know not what they do" & that's perhaps why Fiennes, Knightly & Laurie haven't turned away from JKR.

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I know right! It’s why I struggle to maintain relationships with those who believe women don’t deserve the basic human rights of privacy, dignity and safety, and are so misogynistic they believe a male can be a woman. The fact that some people believe denying males access to female spaces is a breach of human rights is laughable and I do worry about the sanity of those that think that.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/11/2025 05:45

And no one treats them as women, they treat them as special men.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/11/2025 05:45

There are zero commonalities between women as a sex and these men that don’t also exist between women and other men. There is no “woman personality” that these men have. HTH.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/11/2025 05:44

Of course you aren’t 😂

godtierKaren · 25/11/2025 05:35

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/11/2025 05:24

What are the commonalities? Why should I believe men who “identify as women” are women?

Denying psychological, behavioural & cultural commonalities is as silly as denying biological realities so I'm not interested in being drawn into that.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/11/2025 05:24

What are the commonalities? Why should I believe men who “identify as women” are women?

godtierKaren · 25/11/2025 05:23

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/11/2025 05:18

You wouldn’t say the same though, because knowing what biological sex is and that in many circumstances it’s important isn’t remotely the same as racism.

Yes, but biological sex being a relevant distinction in some circumstances doesn't mean its always relevant or that other commonalities don't exist between trans men/women & men & women.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/11/2025 05:19

Funny how your argument doesn’t stand on its own merits so you have to appropriate someone else’s oppression, isn’t it, “godtierKaren”?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/11/2025 05:18

godtierKaren · 25/11/2025 05:17

You could say the same about racists who rationalise their racism as preventing 'harms' from cultural differences. But when you get down to it, it's usually garden variety ignorance from lack of exposure.

You wouldn’t say the same though, because knowing what biological sex is and that in many circumstances it’s important isn’t remotely the same as racism.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/11/2025 05:17

No they don’t. Most women don’t want to share toilets with men. Men are not being discriminated against in being expected to respect women.

godtierKaren · 25/11/2025 05:17

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/11/2025 04:32

She does know what she’s doing though, and I suspect most of these people know that deep down.

You could say the same about racists who rationalise their racism as preventing 'harms' from cultural differences. But when you get down to it, it's usually garden variety ignorance from lack of exposure.

godtierKaren · 25/11/2025 05:13

Gettingmadderallthetime · 25/11/2025 04:13

Hm. Or perhaps their motion of what human rights violations are is different from yours. What are the rights that are being violated here? And while about it do you think that biological women are entitled to privacy and dignity? Are these human rights worth standing up for?

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What are the rights that are being violated here?

Freedom to use necessary basic facilities. Self determination & bodily autonomy.

"And while about it do you think that biological women are entitled to privacy and dignity? Are these human rights worth standing up for?"

Cubicles in toilets already allow for that.