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To find it heartening that despite so many famous people being anti JKR, their are still so many who are prepared to work on HP?

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PyongyangKipperbang · 25/11/2025 01:26

The end credits on the full cast audio takes 13 minutes. Hugh Laurie, Carl Prekopp, Mark Addy, Indira Varma.....and so many many names!

Then the TV series. Nick Frost, Warwick Davies, John Lithgow, Janet McTeer, Katherine Parkinson and (my favourite) Daniel Rigby.

I feel that the actors and crew are saying that they agree with her (or at least, dont disagree), without actually saying that they agree, if you see what I mean.

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ThatBlackCat · 26/11/2025 07:49

godtierKaren · 25/11/2025 05:13

What are the rights that are being violated here?

Freedom to use necessary basic facilities. Self determination & bodily autonomy.

"And while about it do you think that biological women are entitled to privacy and dignity? Are these human rights worth standing up for?"

Cubicles in toilets already allow for that.

There is no freedom for a male to enter a sacred safe female only single sex space.

Women change openly in front of the sinks to go clubbing. Miscarry. Flee to the ladies to escape a male. Seek help. They wash out blood-stained underwear at the sink, baby sick off blouses. We are sometimes in a state of partial undress. Which is why we need the communal safe space. Cubicles do fuck all for that. Not to mention there are cubicles in the males too...

ThatBlackCat · 26/11/2025 07:45

godtierKaren · 25/11/2025 03:59

I would maintain civility but can't imagine maintaining a close relationship with a friend who didn't have any empathy for human rights violations. That would be a very bright red flag of a problematic future in my experience. Lack of empathy tends to be a deal breaker in friendships.

But I suspect the very nature of acting requires empathy for those "who know not what they do" & that's perhaps why Fiennes, Knightly & Laurie haven't turned away from JKR.

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So you admit removing womens hard won rights is a human rights violation, @godtierKaren ?

ThatBlackCat · 26/11/2025 07:41

SoftBalletShoes · 25/11/2025 01:40

People want to work on huge projects like HP for the sake of their careers, the pay, the fun etc. Not everyone lives their lives so politically. In fact, this stuff doesn't matter to most people. The trans community is so tiny that most people have never even seen one and never will. Trans issues simply aren't a part of regular people's lives, even though the amount of media coverage makes it seem that they're in every bathroom, changing room, and female sports team going.

I don't know if it's heartening. I'm sure that some don't agree with her views but aren't going to shoot themselves in the foot over trans issues.

But it's about womens rights (and that affects 50% of the population) not 'trans issues'.

Namelessnelly · 25/11/2025 21:19

Christinapple · 25/11/2025 19:04

Just throwing out a guess here, but anything to do with the fact HP is one of those things that became too popular for its own good and now any slop with "harry potter" on it will generate money from the fans in their 40s who insist on parting with their money for everything HP related?

Jealous much?

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 25/11/2025 20:34

Christinapple · 25/11/2025 19:04

Just throwing out a guess here, but anything to do with the fact HP is one of those things that became too popular for its own good and now any slop with "harry potter" on it will generate money from the fans in their 40s who insist on parting with their money for everything HP related?

Loads of people of all ages buy merch

the biggest spender i know is my 29 year old son in law who has been buying HP stuff for years….there is always something HP related on his Christmas and birthday lists

MarvellousMonsters · 25/11/2025 20:34

Thortour · 25/11/2025 02:06

I just assume all famous people are anti JKR because they’re cowards.

I agree. Most people are afraid to speak up because of the potential backlash, so they say nothing and allow everyone to think they are on board with the TWAW concept.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 25/11/2025 20:21

By this logic toilets don't need to be separated but clearly they do for safety reasons that applies to both trans women & women. And given there's no evidence statistically of trans women being a safety risk to women then sharing toilets only makes sense.

Women being forced to share their spaces with men makes no sense to women, it really isn't that hard to comprehend.
We don't have to justify it, or provide statistics for it, or explain it in any way, the fact that we don't want to share our spaces with men is enough.
Any problem men have in men's spaces is for men to sort out, not women.

DamnTheCheesemongers · 25/11/2025 20:10

Gen Alpha overall really don't give a stuff about all of the old (to them) people screaming about how nasty JKR is. In fact it probably makes them more likely to seek out anything Harry Potter, they're contrary little people.

<<voice of deeply weary experience>>

Sparagmos · 25/11/2025 20:02

godtierKaren · 25/11/2025 07:25

By this logic toilets don't need to be separated but clearly they do for safety reasons that applies to both trans women & women. And given there's no evidence statistically of trans women being a safety risk to women then sharing toilets only makes sense.

There may not be enough evidence to show that a trans identified male presents a greater risk to women and girls than other women and girls but the rare cases of assaults/ harassment that have occurred in such spaces have not been perpetrated by women.

Waitwhat23 · 25/11/2025 20:00

Christinapple · 25/11/2025 19:04

Just throwing out a guess here, but anything to do with the fact HP is one of those things that became too popular for its own good and now any slop with "harry potter" on it will generate money from the fans in their 40s who insist on parting with their money for everything HP related?

Aye, righto pal.

PyongyangKipperbang · 25/11/2025 19:59

plantcomplex · 25/11/2025 19:56

Don't worry, many of us forgive you for the ignorance behind your misogynistic bigotry and incivility displayed on this thread.

Then you are a better person than me, cos I fucking wont 😉

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plantcomplex · 25/11/2025 19:56

godtierKaren · 25/11/2025 03:59

I would maintain civility but can't imagine maintaining a close relationship with a friend who didn't have any empathy for human rights violations. That would be a very bright red flag of a problematic future in my experience. Lack of empathy tends to be a deal breaker in friendships.

But I suspect the very nature of acting requires empathy for those "who know not what they do" & that's perhaps why Fiennes, Knightly & Laurie haven't turned away from JKR.

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Don't worry, many of us forgive you for the ignorance behind your misogynistic bigotry and incivility displayed on this thread.

WarrenTofficier · 25/11/2025 19:45

UncleTed · 25/11/2025 19:13

It’s still making shed loads of cash for JKR, so I think ‘too popular for its own good’ is wishful thinking on your part @Christinapple . If you don’t like it, good luck to you. Millions disagree.

And think of the difference those millions will make to women and children through the fantastic charities JKR has created.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 25/11/2025 19:45

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/11/2025 05:45

And no one treats them as women, they treat them as special men.

This

ErrolTheDragon · 25/11/2025 19:43

I’m still puzzled by who all these ‘famous people’ who are seriously ‘anti JKR’ the OP refers to are, apart from the more or less obsolete trio. I’m sure there must be some others.

ErrolTheDragon · 25/11/2025 19:43

Good actors also work on Strike, which afaik has no merch etc associated with it.
So (while there is an HP ‘cash cow’), that theory in relation to this thread doesn’t convince.

DonicaLewinsky · 25/11/2025 19:39

The original fanbase are of the right age to have kids to introduce to it all now, just as the series comes out. Such perfect timing, almost like it was planned. Kerching!

UncleTed · 25/11/2025 19:13

Christinapple · 25/11/2025 19:04

Just throwing out a guess here, but anything to do with the fact HP is one of those things that became too popular for its own good and now any slop with "harry potter" on it will generate money from the fans in their 40s who insist on parting with their money for everything HP related?

It’s still making shed loads of cash for JKR, so I think ‘too popular for its own good’ is wishful thinking on your part @Christinapple . If you don’t like it, good luck to you. Millions disagree.

Greyskybluesky · 25/11/2025 19:08

Ooh @Christinapple is that an ageist dig? 😂

It's the 13 and 14 year olds in my life parting with their money for HP merch. They love JKR. The magic isn't fading!

Christinapple · 25/11/2025 19:04

Just throwing out a guess here, but anything to do with the fact HP is one of those things that became too popular for its own good and now any slop with "harry potter" on it will generate money from the fans in their 40s who insist on parting with their money for everything HP related?

To find it heartening that despite so many famous people being anti JKR, their are still so many who are prepared to work on HP?
Coatsoff42 · 25/11/2025 17:34

Telephonederby · 25/11/2025 16:49

You say that most people have never seen and never will see a trans person. I don't know about that. Transwomen do tend to stand out from the crowd. Even before all of this stuff kicked off politically, I'd noticed a few transwomen and had even been assaulted by one in a single sex youth hostel dormitory. And I don't get out much.

The thing is that it’s hard to tell the difference between a gender non conforming man and a transwoman. It could just be a man happily wearing a skirt and eyeliner to tescos, or it could be man actually convinced he’s a woman. How can you tell the difference between them? One is open minded about gender expression, one is in the grip of a mental health crisis.

ErrolTheDragon · 25/11/2025 17:24

godtierKaren · 25/11/2025 15:37

In other words, consistency is a thing.

Consistency is definitely a thing, as recently made clear by the Supreme Court ruling - ‘woman’ has to consistently mean ‘biological female’ and that single sex facilities and services should be exactly that.

WarrenTofficier · 25/11/2025 16:51

nauticant · 25/11/2025 16:18

Yes, you are going into a logistical nightmare again as with toilet policing. Good luck with that.

If only there was some self-control that transwomen could exercise over where they go and some sense of responsibilty ...

Well we are told they are all good, kind, lovely and harmless so surely then can all be trusted to not break the law.......

Telephonederby · 25/11/2025 16:49

SoftBalletShoes · 25/11/2025 01:40

People want to work on huge projects like HP for the sake of their careers, the pay, the fun etc. Not everyone lives their lives so politically. In fact, this stuff doesn't matter to most people. The trans community is so tiny that most people have never even seen one and never will. Trans issues simply aren't a part of regular people's lives, even though the amount of media coverage makes it seem that they're in every bathroom, changing room, and female sports team going.

I don't know if it's heartening. I'm sure that some don't agree with her views but aren't going to shoot themselves in the foot over trans issues.

You say that most people have never seen and never will see a trans person. I don't know about that. Transwomen do tend to stand out from the crowd. Even before all of this stuff kicked off politically, I'd noticed a few transwomen and had even been assaulted by one in a single sex youth hostel dormitory. And I don't get out much.

soupycustard · 25/11/2025 16:39

Safeguarding can be difficult - tho not as godtier suggests, a 'nightmare'; that's rather hyperbolic. But lots of worthwhile things are difficult. It was probably difficult to start giving women equal rights to men - we do after all have the temerity to be the ones who give birth and therefore need time off work! - but surely godtier doesn't think sex equality all too much of a 'nightmare'?!

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